"how many of those cups where won against cubs with less ambition that Wigan"

Once again, if you take out 1988-1995 Wigan are still the most successful club in RL, so your argument is still invalid.

Even more invalid when you consider Leeds were the first Professional club, not Wigan.

I've checked the records. None of our wins have an asterix against them.

Cubs? Also, you need to make it clear if you are actually asking a question.

Let me guess, you're a communist?

I like this comment.

Take away your 8 challenge cup wins in that period and you're left with 11. We have 12. Makes your claims of being the "cup kings" look quite silly doesn't it?

No.

spelling and punctuation aside, you are completely ignoring the 'point' which is rather typical of you

just to make it easier:

1 wigan weren't the first professional club

&

2 what stopped every other non-professional club at the time from doing what Wigan did?

I didn't say 'Most Successful Club in CC History' I said in RL. Check the records. I'll wait. The fact remains, that even when you take away our most successful period in our history, we're still head and shoulders above everyone, and this claim we're only famous because of 8 years in the late 80s and early 90s is laughable. Wigan were THE club well before 1988.

1. I didn't say they were.

2. Money I imagine.

1985 - Hull. Neither team were full time professional.
1988 - Halifax. Neither team were full time professional.
1989 - Stains. Neither team were full time professional.
1990 - Wire. Neither team were full time professional.
1991 - Stains. Neither team were 100% full time professional.
=#8000001992 - Cas. Wigan were 100% full time - Cas were probably not.
1993 - Widnes. Both teams were 100% full time professional.
1994 - Leeds. Both teams were 100% full time professional.
1995 - Leeds. Both teams were 100% full time professional.
2002 - Stains. Both teams were 100% full time professional.
2011 - Leeds. Both teams were 100% full time professional.
2013 - Hull. Both teams were 100% full time professional.


You could probably take one cup away from his twelve (the same amount I've seen). This being in 1992 when Wigan went 100% full time professional, just after Leeds RLFC did. Widnes were not far behind to join the party and as such shared some fantastic success in the early 90's.

The rest well...they moaned and whinged all the way to a point where Maurice Lindsay (now boss of the RFL) said "enough is enough" and dragged you all into the new summer era, of which Stains fans should be [ueternally grateful[/u.


With regards to the dinosaurs clubs of the early 90's I quote the great Ian Brown.........."Amateurs, amateurs".

1. i didnt say you did, it was a point i was making

2. so wigan should have held themselves back because others couldnt follow? grow up

anyway, enough of this debate. ive been out all afternoon enjoying our 19th CC final succes and now i need a poo and a bath (in that order). ill check in later to see how you're getting on

Yes they were. I admit, you were THE club. You used to be the best. Since 1996, you haven't been. You aren't even 2nd. You're probably close to Bradford in 3rd. You aren't anything like you used to be. Since the sport went full-time and you didn't have the massive advantages you had back then, you have fallen behind. I know that must hurt you, so I'm sorry to bring it up.

In response to no.2, they question and not your toilet break, no I am not suggesting that. What I, and everyone else outside Wigan, realises is that your achievements during that period are a bit of a false representation.

Check your history mate. Wigan turned professional before 1992.

No they didn't, come on Einstein.

Oh well, you know far more than the World Wide Web in that case.

Link????

We went fully pro around late 1991 early 1992

But RL didn't start in 1996, it started 101 years before. And since then Wigan have been head, shoulders, torso & testicles above everyone else. Sure there are, and where, periods when other clubs have a little success, and we go through a transitional period, but we always come back, just like the old saying 'The Cream Always Rises To The Top'. We'll always be number one, and I feel it is you, that is hurt by that.

one of the reasons why mark preston left as he didnt want to go pro, we signed myers instead and it was 91-92 season.

Suggest you read this (as I'm doing now). Follows Wigan's season 1990-91.



The author is Neil Hanson.

Pages 201-206

Ellery Hanley - Pro
Dean Bell - Pro
Dennis Betts - Student
Frano Botica - Pro
Phil Clarke - Student
Martin Dermott - Pro
Shaun Edwards - Pro
Andy Goodway - Pro
Bobby Goulding - Unemployed
Andy Gregory - Scrap Metal Dealer
Ian Gildart - Maintenance Engineer
Steve Hampson - Publican
Kevin Iro - Pro
Joe Lydon - Graphic Designer
Ian Lucas - Antique Dealer
David Myers - Pro
Andy Platt - Pro
Kelvin Skerrett - Pro
Ged Byrne - Window Cleaner
Mike Forshaw - Council Worker
Dave Marshall - Sales Assistant
Gus O'Donnell - Construction Worker
Mark Preston - Insurance Underwriter
Ged Stazicker - Student
Shaun Wane - Pro


Therefore for the 1990/91 season Wigan WERE NOT 100% full time professional.







HTH

eh?

Rugby league 1996 - ?

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