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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"I'm sorry but the biggest winner tonight is Rugby League.
If Warrington would have won tonight ALL credibility for the sport would have gone out of the Window.
Our sport needs more coverage and the way to achieve this is by having recognisable places/names as it's champions. Who would realistically want to watch a sport where the champion side came from Warrington? It would make the game a laughing stock.
No one outside will either know or care what position Leeds finished in.'"
I couldn't care less if the Champions are from a village as long as they weren't crowned from 5th place.
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| Quote ="Gary High"I couldn't care less if the Champions are from a village as long as they weren't crowned from 5th place.'"
Sorry mate , but i wouldn't mind us winning it from 5th
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| I'd have preferred Warrington to have won.
Leeds have had an average season and won the league, again. Fair play to them but as has been said, it makes the sport look ridiculous.
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| Quote ="Gary High"01/06/2012 20:00 Leeds Rhinos 8 v 50 Wigan Warriors Headingley Carnegie
I'd say that your entire post consists of total bullsh*t wouldn't you?'"
No I'd say he's spot on.
3 challenge Cup finals and 2 SL finals in 3 seasons says to me that Leeds are better than their league table suggests.
Not their fault they play the system better than anyone else or have a savvy coach who doesn't flog his side in April.
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| Quote ="Gary High"I couldn't care less if the Champions are from a village as long as they weren't crowned from 5th place.'"
And that's why SL is in the gutter.
You might not care but the rest of the country does. The rest of the nation has never heard of Warrington.
Warrington as champs = zero credibility
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"And that's why SL is in the gutter.
You might not care but the rest of the country does. The rest of the nation has never heard of Warrington.
Warrington as champs = zero credibility'"
Champions from 5th = minus 5 credibility (imagine what it will be like if one day 8th was to be crowned as CHAMPIONS)
The reason SL (and RL in general) is in the gutter lies in the hands of those at the RFL.
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| Quote ="Gandy"Never mind a team winning it from 5th making the competition a joke. The fact is for 2 seasons running the 4 teams above them have failed to beat them and have been battered every game against said 5th place team.'"
What was the result when Leeds beat Saints this year in the play-offs? And v Wigan last year?
Quote Look at your own teams at the fact you can't win Super League against the most successful team Super League has seen!'"
Leeds are the most unworthy "champions" in the entire history of the game. I suspect you know this also.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"Not their fault they play the system better than anyone else or have a savvy coach who doesn't flog his side in April.'"
They don't play the system better. Anyone who thinks they engineered this is living in cloud cuckoo land.
They have benefited from the system as it stands. There is a BIG difference.
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| Quote ="DaveO"What was the result when Leeds beat Saints this year in the play-offs? And v Wigan last year?
Leeds are the most unworthy "champions" in the entire history of the game. I suspect you know this also.'"
I think unworthy is unfair dave, granted the system is flawed , but Leeds have proven again that they know how to win big games and achieve success....you can only go out and do your best in the format that is laid out , and thats what Leeds have done...they ahve achieved what everyone else set out to do , so unworthy...definately not
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| Quote ="Gary High"Champions from 5th = minus 5 credibility (imagine what it will be like if one day 8th was to be crowned as CHAMPIONS)
The reason SL (and RL in general) is in the gutter lies in the hands of those at the RFL.'"
Thats the system.
The New York Giants won the superbowl last season but had unspectacular pre playoff form. No loss of credibility there? That's because they accept the system and people gear for that one game. Whole seasons are planned to generate that one special moment.
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| Quote ="DaveO"They don't play the system better. Anyone who thinks they engineered this is living in cloud cuckoo land.
They have benefited from the system as it stands. There is a BIG difference.'"
I'm sorry but how have they benefited? Its a benefit playing every week away at Wigan and Catalans and then beating the 2nd placed side in the final? Thats cuckoo land.
Its blindingly obvious to me that Leeds peak at the right time. They do what they need to get in the play offs then back their talent to beat anyone else in them.
They've had it harder than we and Wire have this season and last.
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| Quote They don't play the system better. Anyone who thinks they engineered this is living in cloud cuckoo land.
They have benefited from the system as it stands. There is a BIG difference.'"
Exactly! It really is that simple. And no-one is blaming them, as some are suggesting.
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| End of the day it will be my team with that big shiny "Champions" badge on their arm (again) next season so I couldn't give a monkeys what you lot think of the play offs,
Have a nice xmas, see you all next year!
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| Quote ="DaveO"What was the result when Leeds beat Saints this year in the play-offs? And v Wigan last year?
Leeds are the most unworthy "champions" in the entire history of the game. I suspect you know this also.'"
What a load of rubbish
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| Maybe 2013 will be the Year of the Pies?
With signings like Matty Smith and Blake Green you are making efforts to close the gap between yourselves and the top clubs and I am sure with your great crop of youngsters that are always coming through, Wigan have every chance of being competitive next year.
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| For me it's not so much credibility, it's a money concern for me.
My worry is fans adapting to the system the same way the players have. If the fans start to only turn up for derbies and playoffs, then the money will float away from the game and the game will crash.
This may never happen and maybe it's a fear that will never come true. But you can see the arguement about why fans should not bother in the weekly rounds.
As for the players playing the system, that's fine, it's the rules we have.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Maybe 2013 will be the Year of the Pies?
With signings like Matty Smith and Blake Green you are making efforts to close the gap between yourselves and the top clubs and I am sure with your great crop of youngsters that are always coming through, Wigan have every chance of being competitive next year.'"
2/10 and even thats generous!
Which ickle fish do you think your going to catch with this?
Flattering to deceive throughout the year but rubbish in october.
Maybe youll be better next year?
Another year older times running out?
Am i talking about sally's fishing attempts or the wolfs league title chances?
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| That was the worst post I've seen of Sally's.
Have you ever seen the wire win the league?
I think my grandad might of!!!
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| Quote ="Gary High"Champions from 5th = minus 5 credibility (imagine what it will be like if one day 8th was to be crowned as CHAMPIONS)
The reason SL (and RL in general) is in the gutter lies in the hands of those at the RFL.'"
Its not like a team winning the league from 8th has ever happend in this country is it?
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"Thats the system.
The New York Giants won the superbowl last season but had unspectacular pre playoff form. No loss of credibility there? That's because they accept the system and people gear for that one game. Whole seasons are planned to generate that one special moment.'"
You clearly have no idea how the NFL works.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Its not like a team winning the league from 8th has ever happend in this country is it?'"
Was that Dewsbury when Stevo played for them in the 1970s?
I think Wire finished top that year, I bet our fans were proper mickeyed off at that.
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| Have you ever seen the Wire win the league?
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| ahhh I was looking farward to these threads
All joking and bantering aside..
We all know Wire are far from a liked team in super league. However as much as we annoy you and as much as some of our fans are tasteless, (every team has them, c'mon admit it ) I think it would be wrong to say we didn't deserve it, the past 3 seasons I've seen a massive turn around in our team. And though we didn't win I'm still mega proud of the boys.
See you all next year for a snotting at the DW!!
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Maybe 2013 will be the Year of the Pies?
With signings like Matty Smith and Blake Green you are making efforts to close the gap between yourselves and the top clubs and I am sure with your great crop of youngsters that are always coming through, Wigan have every chance of being competitive next year.'"
Why so serious?
I've been waiting to say that for a while hahahaha.
But honestly Sally, Rainclouds are still chasing you.. and down they have poured!
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| Quote ="WarriorSteve"Have to agree Gary.
It needs changing and changing quick. Who cares whether a few teams in 8th or 9th have a chance to make the playoffs. It more important that the teams who have put in the most effort all year, deserve a definate advantage of being champions. I say 1st V 2nd for the grand final.'"
But then you will moaning if the team finishing second beat the first.
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