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| Fielden could come out on Friday and be totally lost and a liability and if he is then he will be doing a fair old impression of some of our other props recent displays so if nothing else he'll be another body to throw in the mix.
As it is I expect him to come out and go pretty well whilst blowing out of his backside and he'll show enough to put pressure on our 3rd and 4th choice props(Flower and Lauaki as it stands imo). If he does that hopefully that will fire some competition and in turn rub off on Lima and in particular Mossop who needs a kick in the pants.
Dudson is another who could do the same. We're in a no lose position playing these two on Friday imo.
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| It's a win-win as far as Wigan are concerned, and with zero risk.
If he fails, then he fails. If he comes through then what a fantastic boost to our flagging front row.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Just too late in the season for Fielden to have any chance of finding any kind of match-fitness for this season.
If he has fully recovered from his injuries and after a couple of years rest for his body to recover then he will turn out to be a top player for which ever clubs he's at next season.
However, unfortunately, I fear that too much rugby at a young age has meant that his body is shot and he will be unable to string a run of games together in which to find his timing and form. A great shame as he was a great prop at his peak with Bradford.'"
Your probably right, although it would be nice for him to prove you and most other people on here wrong.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"It's a win-win as far as Wigan are concerned, and with zero risk.
If he fails, then he fails. If he comes through then what a fantastic boost to our flagging front row.'"
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| Quote ="on_the_charge"Why should Fielden get a place in the play off team when Lima, Prescott, Flower, Mossop, Crosby and even Dudson have had more game time than Fielden this year????'"
because the hub cap is already wrapped up , so it gives Wane the option of looking at players on the comeback trail, and resting players at the same time.
im glad hes coach and not you
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| Makes sense to give Fielden a run out. Despite it being a Saints derby, the game in effect is a nothing match.
A fit effect Fielden is something which will enhance the team, lets see if that's what we've got.
Our front row isn't all that, Wire always totally dominate us. Mossop must receive an award for the most unimproved player this year after starting with so much vigor has really stopped improving. Lima has been as good as always-but he's off. Prescott can go for me, always injured, often loses the ball on impact, all in all-not good enough.
Eric, after a controversial signing is looking determined and full of fight. For me, if Fielden can find his form he'd be in.
Dudson is the one to watch, was excellent before he was injured
Flower also has bags of potential as a hard working prop or 13.
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| Its the same situation where Saints found themselves with Paul Sculthorpe. Sculthorpe along with Farrell the best Loose Forwards in the British game in the Super League Era. Sculthorpe found himself constantly injured for the best part of 3 years and never came back the same player. Infact he became a passenger apart from one great performance against Brisbane Broncos in 2007. Im afraid to say Fielden has become the same as Sculthorpe after years of constant hammering and no doubt playing 80 minutes week in week out for Bradford never helped him infact its shortenend his career. My arguement is why the hell should Fielden get the chance to stake a claim for a position in the Wigan side when your other props have done the hardwork and youve finished top? If I was one of the props dropped I would be seriously p****d off.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan" Despite it being a Saints derby, the game in effect is a nothing match.
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No Wigan vs Saints game is a nothing match. Saints need to win to finish 3rd and Im sure Wigan will be wanting to stop Saints from achieving that.
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| Quote ="on_the_charge" If I was one of the props dropped I would be seriously p****d off.'"
Good, that is exactly what is required as some props in the current team need a heavy kick up the booty to be reminded that they need to perform. Over the last couple of months how many of the Wigan front row have performed to a good standard........
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Makes sense to give Fielden a run out. Despite it being a Saints derby, the game in effect is a nothing match.
A fit effect Fielden is something which will enhance the team, lets see if that's what we've got.
Our front row isn't all that, Wire always totally dominate us. Mossop must receive an award for the most unimproved player this year after starting with so much vigor has really stopped improving. Lima has been as good as always-but he's off. [uPrescott can go for me, always injured[/u, often loses the ball on impact, all in all-not good enough.
Eric, after a controversial signing is looking determined and full of fight. For me, if Fielden can find his form he'd be in.
Dudson is the one to watch, was excellent before he was injured
Flower also has bags of potential as a hard working prop or 13.'"
After seeing many posters saying this over the last 3 months or so and always wanting to respond I've finally Bit!
You do realise that he's played 28/29/30 games a season for the last 3 season out of a maximum of 33/34/35 he could have played!
That means he's missed on average about 5 games per year over the full season for the last 3 seasons which any of those may/may not have been down to injury i.e he may have been rested/rotated for some of these?
He's had a Bad trot this year (I put a lot of it down to him missing pre-season due to the off season operation he had) no doubt, but hardly reson to get rid IMO!
I understand if people want to get rid if they don't rate him, but basing it on 1 bad season in terms of injuries I think is a bit OT.
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| Good luck to him
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| you don't get rid of players because they have one season where they suffer a few injuries, think we might have learned that lesson the hard way when we released Sean Long after his knee injury..........
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| Quote ="Jukesays"After seeing many posters saying this over the last 3 months or so and always wanting to respond I've finally Bit!
You do realise that he's played 28/29/30 games a season for the last 3 season out of a maximum of 33/34/35 he could have played!
That means he's missed on average about 5 games per year over the full season for the last 3 seasons which any of those may/may not have been down to injury i.e he may have been rested/rotated for some of these?
He's had a Bad trot this year (I put a lot of it down to him missing pre-season due to the off season operation he had) no doubt, but hardly reson to get rid IMO!
I understand if people want to get rid if they don't rate him, but basing it on 1 bad season in terms of injuries I think is a bit OT.'"
Justa matter of opinion who each person likes or dislikes. Regardless of his appearances I just don't rate him at the standard I would expect to see at Wigan.
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| Quote ="on_the_charge"No Wigan vs Saints game is a nothing match. Saints need to win to finish 3rd and Im sure Wigan will be wanting to stop Saints from achieving that.'"
Why what does that get Wigan? A sense of 'well done' heres another one over the old enemy? Sorry but I'm a realist, doing what we can and being smart to win the GF is far more important.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Justa matter of opinion who each person likes or dislikes. Regardless of his appearances I just don't rate him at the standard I would expect to see at Wigan.'"
Now we are another twelve months on, do you still feel like that about Hansen?
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| Quote ="MattyB"Now we are another twelve months on, do you still feel like that about Hansen?'"
Firstly I don't know if this is a dig or a genuine question. I feel pretty similar he's a good player, not a world beater, no Hock or Hoffman per say. I think he does a job, been off the boil in the last few weeks.
I feel in time the likes of Jack Hughes will surpass him.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Firstly I don't know if this is a dig or a genuine question. I feel pretty similar he's a good player, not a world beater, no Hock or Hoffman per say. I think he does a job, been off the boil in the last few weeks.
I feel in time the likes of Jack Hughes will surpass him.'"
It's not a dig mate. Just wondering.
I agree he's been off the boil these past few week's, but the majority of the team aren't clicking which won't help.
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| Quote ="exiled Warrior"Good, that is exactly what is required as some props in the current team need a heavy kick up the booty to be reminded that they need to perform. Over the last couple of months how many of the Wigan front row have performed to a good standard........'"
Totally agree, despite us being top of the league, players looking over their shoulders, especially the props, is a good thing. I wish Stuart well, it can't have been an easy time for him.
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"Totally agree, despite us being top of the league, players looking over their shoulders is a good thing. I wish Stuart well, it can't have been an easy time for him.'"
To be fair he brought it on himself, if he had stuck to plan he would have been back playing months ago, but he had to be the big I AM and do more in training than he should have done resulting in another injury, he can leave for me, too little too, god forbid some numpty gives him a new contract because he has one or two good games, we need younger fitter players in the squad even if they are 29 they still got 3 years on Stu
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Why what does that get Wigan? A sense of 'well done' heres another one over the old enemy? Sorry but I'm a realist, doing what we can and being smart to win the GF is far more important.'"
So just say that then?
Don't try and perpetuate an injury MYTH. (TBH I think people are influenced about Prescotts injury history because of statements like "he's never fit" and "he's always injured" and assume he's been like this for the last 4 years! Rather than look at the Facts of the situation).
If you think this seasons injury problems are a good enough reason then fair enough that's your opinion.
If you think he's not good enough (And it would be inbteresting to note is Error rate/Penalty count to other SL front line props over that same period wouldn't it?) then fair enough.
If you think that Hansen is a waste of space (Thanks for that Matty, I'd forgot who it was who came up with that earlier in the year!) then fair enough
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| Quote ="Jukesays"So just say that then?
Don't try and perpetuate an injury MYTH. (TBH I think people are influenced about Prescotts injury history because of statements like "he's never fit" and "he's always injured" and assume he's been like this for the last 4 years! Rather than look at the Facts of the situation).
If you think this seasons injury problems are a good enough reason then fair enough that's your opinion.
If you think he's not good enough (And it would be inbteresting to note is Error rate/Penalty count to other SL front line props over that same period wouldn't it?) then fair enough.
If you think that Hansen is a waste of space (Thanks for that Matty, I'd forgot who it was who came up with that earlier in the year!) then fair enough
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Excuse me? As much you would enjoy me biting (which is obvious by the tone of your post) did you actually read what I wrote? I clearly started two reasons why I didn't rate Prescott, accept different people have different opinions. And yes for what it's worth Prescott does seem to be out a lot, and does lose the ball too much on impact.
Secondly when did I ever call Hansen a waste of space? Please fill your days looking through my past posts and you'll not find such a comment. I think you're now even fabricating reasons to start an argument.
What did I actually say about Hansen? You probably don't have a f^&king clue, and you probably don't care, you're just another keyboard warrior trying to fill his days.
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| Quote ="MattyB"It's not a dig mate. Just wondering.
I agree he's been off the boil these past few week's, but the majority of the team aren't clicking which won't help.'"
Yeah I remember all the inbreds jumping on me for my comment about Hansen a while back, the names that I was called over a post was a total disgrace, highlights some of the attitudes and intellect of several posters on here, so forgive me for questioning your question.
I bet half the people on here don't or can't even remember what I even said.
No doubt after your comment the inbreds will be sniffing to have another pop at me on mass.
Funny how nobody brings up how I stated Sam should be given a chance at FB etc...
Gets it's just the mentality of some of the posters on here.
Some poor lad was ripped on the rumours and signs for discussing a rumour about a signing yesterday! Whatever next!
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| As far as i am concerned, the more fit and healthy players we have the better. I don't care about previous form, injury record or any other factor. In the play-offs we should play the best team available, based on ability and current form. If Dudson/Fielden show they are fit and playing well then get them in the team, if not leave them out.
Sentiment should not come into it. This should apply to Richards and tommy too, but luckily they both look ok for the play-offs.
Basically, just play the best available team in the play-offs.
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| Quote ="on_the_charge"No Wigan vs Saints game is a nothing match. Saints need to win to finish 3rd and Im sure Wigan will be wanting to stop Saints from achieving that.'"
why?
beat them and we;ll have them again next week in round 1..........lose and theres a good chance we'll have Cats.
no..gift them 3rd...beat Cats and have a week off with club call.
week 2
cats beat rhinos, saints beat hull
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saints beat wire....we beat Cats again (with club call)
week 4 GF
we make a new song for next season
6 TIMES IN A ROWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Excuse me? As much you would enjoy me biting (which is obvious by the tone of your post) did you actually read what I wrote? I clearly started two reasons why I didn't rate Prescott, accept different people have different opinions. And yes for what it's worth Prescott does seem to be out a lot, and does lose the ball too much on impact.
Secondly when did I ever call Hansen a waste of space? Please fill your days looking through my past posts and you'll not find such a comment. I think you're now even fabricating reasons to start an argument.
What did I actually say about Hansen? You probably don't have a f^&king clue, and you probably don't care, you're just another keyboard warrior trying to fill his days.'"
I think you take your own advice and read what I wrote
I said if you don't rate him - fair enough
I said if you think his injury record "this Year" is enough to get rid of him - then fair enough
Isn't that me accepting that you can have an opinion?
I said if you are stating that he is "Always injured" (Your words so yes I did read what you posted) then his injury record for a FACT is not that which is perpetuated on this site by SOME posters.
As for the Hansen bit, I took it from Matty's post that you were one of the people who'd said we'd won 8 games without him so we may as well get rid as he's overated?
If you weren't I apologize (Matty, thanks for getting me in trouble).
If you were then I think you need to respond and let Matty know if your views of Hansen have changed?
I didn't want you to "Bite", I wanted your opinion on Prescott "always being injured" and if you felt that was still a fair argument based on his injury record over the last 4 years rather than the last 4 months?
If you want to get rid because of this years injury record - fair enough, I'll let other people judge that opinion and form their own opinion as I know what mine is.
If you want to get rid because he loses ball in contact too easily - Fair enough. I'll let other people judge that opinion as I will too (Wonder if we can get some error/penalty stats to back this up)
If you want to get rid because "he's always injured" (Your words not mine) and that means that he's always been injured over the last 2/3/4 years. Then fair enough - I just think that opinion is wrong and the facts wouldn't back up your argument?
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