I sit a couple of rows behind the away dugout and didn't hear any racial abuse being thrown around. I was looking across to where lauaki was being led off and there was a lot of shouting for westerman to be sent off, as you would expect, so i wasn't really paying attention at what was going on around me. When i looked round i noticed Moa stood up in the dug out facing the fans, in particular one chap on the row behind me, and there were a few verbals going on between the two. Moa was extreemely angry and things escalated to the point where Moa was trying to get out of the dugout to confront the fan, shouting for him to come down there and he would f**k him over, etc etc. the fan was sort of half getting up but not actually going anywhere, which was quite funny in itself, all talk and no trousers. Anyway, one of the other players managed to lead him away down the tunnel and that was the end of that. I would stress that through all of the verbals i heard there was nothing racial in nature however i didn't hear or see what got Moa on his feet in the first place. I did ask a chap on the row in front what had kicked it all off and he said something along the lines of Moa taking offense to the shouting for westerman to be sent off and he was just being a soft . Most of the people around me seemed to be disgusted by the level of reaction and language that Moa was throwing around for no real reason and i am sure that this wouldn't have been the case if anyone had heard any racial abuse going on.

How do Hull fans know it was racist abuse?

As usual everyone speculating what happened .. No one knows for sure. If any racist language was used then that person should be found and banned .. End of .. If not then Moa should be charged if he was just reacting to our fans wanting Westerman sent off.. We don't need either event in our sport

That was the exact way that I saw it, I sit right next to the away dug out, some girl who sits behind me who gives it to all the away players every game calling them scum etc was gobbing off a fair bit at Moa for his language and behaviour towards the fans, then shouting at one of the stewards for him to be kicked out as the steward approached her telling her to calm down. There were quite a few others who clearly objected to Moa's behaviour which was pretty appalling for a professional. All I heard were people calling for Westerman to be sent off. Infact, it was that girl who was screaming at stewards that said she'd heard something racist, then said she heard someone else say it was something racist... I started to doubt it was anything racist as as I said, nobody was ejected and no action was taken against anybody in the crowd. It was as all the fans were calling for the red card as Leuaki was leaving the pitch, and I'm certain that had anybody heard any racist remarks they would in no way have defended it.

That seems like the most logical explanation. If anyone was racist then it is disgusting and I hope they are dealt with appropriately. But it just doesn't add up does it?

Is it not just possible that after such a tackle on Eric people in the crowd where giving the hull team or westerman some verbals and maybe Moa has taken an exception and decided to stick up for his team mate? Why on earth anyone would randomly say something racist to a player not involved is beyond me and it's a shame people have automatically assumed it was racist when there's no proof otherwise and even people nearby haven't been able to confirm a racist remark.

Like I say, if it turns out something racist was said, then he needs banning for life at the very least, and naming and shaming but lets get some facts first before we go accusing people of such a disgusting thing.

Chaos in the West stand! Not like it used to be with all the owd people and their prawn butties.

I have met Moa on a couple of occasions and I find it hard to believe that he is the kind of person to offer someone out for a fight over something as trivial as that. I have no idea what was said though.

There was a similar incident when we played at Cas this year. The Cas players were waiting for a conversion and Richard Owen took offence to something and called one of the Hull fans out. Danny Orr had to drag him away.

There was a similar thread on the Leeds board after their game at Wakey, if you don't know for certain racist abuse was give to Sam Moa please don't go making threads with such a title.

Whilst racism is illogical, you cannot go around threatening people who are stupid enough to shout it.

The above is a general point, I didn't see/hear the incident in the thread.

To be honest, the guy that Moa was having a go at is particularly loud and annoying and i would quite like him banned from a personal point of view as he gets on my wick however not once did i hear anything racist so can only point the finger at Moa for over reacting. If something was said Initially though you can't really blame Moa. Hopefully some other people who were in the area would give us their views on what happened as well so we can get a broader view on what actually happened.

Just hope it wasn't racism, we don't want to be in the headlines for the wrong reasons like many other sports.

If someone has used a racist term towards Moa then he'll report it and the club will be able to investigate the incident fully. If Moa doesn't report it and no one comes forward making any report to the club that racist language was used the only logical conclusion would be that there was no racist abuse.
It's up to the player and people who were in that area of the West stand to report anything of this nature otherwise nothing can happen.

Surely if his comments were racist then moa would've told the stewards or another official and the guy would've been tossed out I also find it unlikely no one else heard it yet moa did.

If it was racist then string him up but at the end of the day until Theres proof people really shouldn't be starting threads like this.

As for moa racist remarks or not he's a professional he shouldn't be kicking off at fans no matter how idiotic the fan is. If it was just goading and not racism then moa will have effectively lowered himself to the same level. If it transpires that there was no racism and any of the fans complain he could have landed himself in a lot of trouble.


Anyway I'd say this thread should probably be locked until we hear more.

Hope he / she enjoyed the game.

Perhaps the OP is just a wum? After all he/she hasn't been back on to give any more information, as in how they know the details.

Or maybe they put 2 and 2 together and came up with their own conclusions. Either he posted it on a smart phone or did it from home. Either way i can not see how he could have been that close to know what had happened as virtually all Hull fans were at the away end of in the East Stand. This is just typical of the idiots we have on these boards they know it all but know sod all. My guess on the OP is he heard it on tv got pi44ed off at the result and jumped to the wrong conclusions.

I might be wrong but the time he posted this he is either in the FC squad in some way or he watched tv and got it totally wrong and has not been on as now he might look like an idiot.

Why is racism always assumed when something happens??

Its due to the culture that has been created in the country by left wing tree hugging sandal wearing dogooding useless idiots that have far go much power.
Btw if it is found that some cretin has been throwing racist comments at Mao, ban the fool, but id have an informed guess that nowt of the sort happened.

never mentioned anywhere by the media,another he said they said storm in a teacup rumour

Agreed. Anyone would think that racism was as bad as murder the way it's banded around nowdays.

With many taking advantage of how PC Britain has become. If someone made a racist remark to me, i certainly wouldn't react the way Moa did. Racism although no need for it, masks over many society and blame culture issues.

Totally agree. Although racism is illogical and frankly plain stupid, it's use as a "get out of jail" card is pathetic.

If there was a racist remark I think the only proper punishment a ring in th ecentre of Wembley for the CC final one corner Moa the other mr KKK and let themat each other. My money is on Moa.

However as there seems a lot of people sat around there and no one heard anything proper may be nothing was said. But on the other hand I can't see why Moa would take exception to someone/the crowd screaming for one of his players to be sent off. Doesn't add up to me.

I wonder if this means he won't be signing for us

so whatever the reason Moa acted in an unproffessional way bringing the sport into disrepute.

the RFL should charge him with "unsporstan like conduct", "disrepute", or whatever else they deem fit.

IF a racist comment triggered it, then Moa can plead "mitigating circumstances", and a full blown investigation should ensue to find the culprit.

IF Moa is unable to cite racism as a reason for his disgusting behaviour in front of families, at a family sport, then the RFL should throw the book at him

there is no excuse for thuggish behaviour from a professional sportsman