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| Quote ="Jeff the God of Biscuits"You obviously are either blinkered or need to go to specsavers. I have watched the game back twice, and was there live, he did not alter his run in any way.'"
He didn't alter his run, he didn't commit a foul, he did obstruct JJB from sliding across the line as JJB made no attempt to tackle him so not a poor defensive read.
Either way JJB would never have got across and it shouldn't have been ruled a no try. Dummy runners are part of the game he did make contact with the Leeds player and impede him but there was no chance he would have covered accross anyway
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| Quote ="Rhinoshaund III"a014.gif Good stuff, well Im glad we cleared that one up!
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| Quote ="Rhinoshaund III":3lo2ubvga026.gif
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| Quote ="Jeff the God of Biscuits"I know you're a Leeds fan so i'll try and keep it simple. It was a poor defensive read from JJB, not a foul by Flower. If flower had veered his run in front of the ball into JJB, this would be a foul. As he ran straight and JJb ran INTO him, this is not a foul. If you;re going to comment on the game, please learn the rules first.'"
He didn't run straight, he ran at an angle, and ran straight at JJB, not the other way round.
That's the difference between a biased view and a non bias.
Even as simple Leeds fans as you call us, we are all in agreement that it should have been a try. Not because of the reasons you incorrectly state, but because JJB would never have got close to preventing the try anyway.
But this isn't a Leeds or Wigan issue, it is an issue in the game. All Sky games where those type of decisions are passed to the VR are given no try, simple as. As soon as the replay came on, it was clear no try was going to be given. This is the problem, the officials have the wrong interpretation of the laws of the game.
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| it was straight line, just not parallel to the touch line, as in he didnt deviate at all.
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yes your right, he changed his angle away from the player into the gap......its even worse. Thanks for clearing that up.
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yes your right, he changed his angle away from the player into the gap......its even worse. Thanks for clearing that up.
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| Quote ="Pieman"yes your right, he changed his angle away from the player into the gap......its even worse. Thanks for clearing that up.'"
If he'd have carried on straight then he wouldve breached the gap, no issue, but he didnt, and he ran straight at JJB and cleaned him out.
Glad we sorted it though
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| Quote ="Rhinoshaund III"If he'd have carried on straight then he wouldve breached the gap, no issue, but he didnt, and he ran straight at JJB and cleaned him out.
Glad we sorted it though
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no if would have run straight he would have run straight into the leeds player he moved towards the gap and JJB targeted him and made the wrong call
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| The "did the defender run in to the attacker or the other way round" argument is only really an issue when the attacker who receives the ball goes through the gap that was created by the defender being taken out. When this happens the VR should be looking at whether the defender has chosen to tackle the wrong player or if the attacker has acted like a blocker, not just simply if a collision has occurred then automatically no try.
If Lockers had stepped back and gone through the gap that had been left by Flower knocking JJB over then it should have rightly been chalked off. As it was the ball was passed wide and the dummy runner and defender colliding had no effect on whether the try would eventually be scored or not.
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| Quote ="Pieman"no if would have run straight he would have run straight into the leeds player he moved towards the gap and JJB targeted him and made the wrong call'"
Nah, If he had run straight then he would have hit the sliding defence just in time to run between Hardaker and JJB but he didnt, he deviated left and cleaned out JJB costing his side a try
again, Im glad we cleared this up, Id hate for it to go on all day
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| The sliding defence made sure the had him covered running straight.We are going around in circles as you cannot admit you are wrong although you gave us the evidence.
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| Its a big gap he couldve run through but instead chose to clean JJB out costing his side a try
If your having trouble admitting your wrong, go put the kettle on, have a biscuit and just spend a few minutes of quiet contemplation
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| Quote ="Pieman"Flower didnt change his line JJB kept moving into him so it should have stood, he dropped his shoulder to protect himself as JJB was coming at him.'"
That's how I saw it. He ran towards the gap which closed at the last second because of JJB's lateral movement and the ball had long gone in rugby terms.
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| Quote ="Salty"Quote ="Pieman"Flower didnt change his line JJB kept moving into him so it should have stood, he dropped his shoulder to protect himself as JJB was coming at him.'"
That's how I saw it. He ran towards the gap which closed at the last second because of JJB's lateral movement and the ball had long gone in rugby terms.'"
JJB's lateral movement was part of the sliding defence, correct. But, the dropping of the shoulder to protect himself because JJB was coming at him?? Load of rubbish.
I know he couldve avoided collision, Pieman knows he couldve avoided collision
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| Quote ="Rhinoshaund III"JJB's lateral movement was part of the sliding defence, correct. But, the dropping of the shoulder to protect himself because JJB was coming at him?? Load of rubbish.
I know he couldve avoided collision, Pieman knows he couldve avoided collision
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At least we all agree it was a poor decision to disallow the try. We will never agree on the other point.
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| Quote ="Salty"At least we all agree it was a poor decision to disallow the try. We will never agree on the other point.'"
Agreed
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| Quote ="Rhinoshaund III"JJB's lateral movement was part of the sliding defence, correct. But, the dropping of the shoulder to protect himself because JJB was coming at him?? Load of rubbish.
I know he couldve avoided collision, Pieman knows he couldve avoided collision
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He doesnt need to get out of the way, he dropped the shoulder to protect himself. JJB's slide and poor judgement made the collision
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| Quote ="Rhinoshaund III"Its a big gap he couldve run through but instead chose to clean JJB out costing his side a try
If your having trouble admitting your wrong, go put the kettle on, have a biscuit and just spend a few minutes of quiet contemplation
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if he ran his original line he takes out the player on the left, so he adjusts his run and goes for the gap.
whilst thats happening, the defence is sliding, JJB is going for the ball carrier, then slides across making him go into the gap which flower was intending to run through.
you can quite clearly see at the point which the super league show pauses for a second (i suggest you pause it at the same time to take a good look at it) that flower is heading for the gap between the two defenders (at this point he is about 1-2 meters away from them). JJB at this point is committed to the man with the ball. when the ball is passed JJB slides aross (what he was suppose to do given the situation) that gap has now disappeared due to JJB moving across. and by this point flower is on top of JJB with no chance of getting out of the way.
so when all is said and done, JJB moves into the running line of the forward.
Not bias at all, just the what you can see by slowing it down.
If JJB doesnt slide, flower goes through the gap, Its simple to see.
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| Quote ="jimlav"if he ran his original line he takes out the player on the left, so he adjusts his run and goes for the gap.
whilst thats happening, the defence is sliding, JJB is going for the ball carrier, then slides across making him go into the gap which flower was intending to run through.
you can quite clearly see at the point which the super league show pauses for a second (i suggest you pause it at the same time to take a good look at it) that flower is heading for the gap between the two defenders (at this point he is about 1-2 meters away from them). JJB at this point is committed to the man with the ball. when the ball is passed JJB slides aross (what he was suppose to do given the situation) that gap has now disappeared due to JJB moving across. and by this point flower is on top of JJB with no chance of getting out of the way.
so when all is said and done, JJB moves into the running line of the forward.
Not bias at all, just the what you can see by slowing it down.
If JJB doesnt slide, flower goes through the gap, Its simple to see.'"
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