I don't see any point where I am saying we are angels. Bailey, Ablett and Smith can be dirty. McGuire throws his teddy out when we are losing sometimes. I am not throwing the stones. But you really are right, people in glass houses shouldn't throw them. Hock and Lima are at least equally as bad as anything at Leeds. Tomkins has cut out a lot of the gamesmanship at the ruck but if you think he's whiter than white then your glasses are so rose tinted I'm surprised you can see your screen.

Hock can have a short fuse and has been naughty in past (clean as whistle last, though he managed to get gouged by ablett, care to comment?), but what exactly has Lima done to deserve being called dirty?!

He tackles people round the legs.

Very naughty.

Must mean that 3rd man tackle

After Lima got pulled early last season he was whiter than white, and is certainly NOT a dirty player at all.. As for messing about around the PTB, jeez, i don't know how any Leeds fan can have the gaul to criticise anybody.

What about Ablett gouging Sam in the fight on 27 mins?

As I said on another thread, nothing in it. His hand was across his face for some reason, but if you think it was eye gouging you're clutching at straws. The disciplinary will rightly not be concerned with that. Even Tomkins wasn't bothered.

Hock was though he didn't even try to pull him back or anything like that

Ban is coming

Should have been an 8 point try but his little scared expression will do

A ban for that

. Hock's an idiot so I wouldn't read too much in to that



I know you want to see us lose next week but that's just desperate.

I thought there was no need for that to be chanted, whoever started that off, I took my old man to the game and he was disgusted by it.

He should have been disgusted by your teams poophouse tactics...

I take it you missed Hock kneeing Clarkson in the face as he was getting up to play the ball last night. Don't worry that happens when you're only watching half of the game. But yes you're right, by his usual standards, Hock was an angel last night. Well done him. IF Ablett was gouging Tomkins of course he deserves the same ban that Hock got. I didn't notice it at the game or the replay I watched this morning.

I thought Leeds were the team that used the poophouse tactics not Wigan?

Soz, assumed you were a Leeds fan.

Was one of the Wigan players tripped in 2nd half?

First look it appeared so, but i don't think it was...

No worries. I can let such things wash over me but it just doesn't sit well with my dad. What is wrong with just singing We All Hate Leeds? Why the need to add the 'scum' bit? It doesn't show us in the greatest of lights.

Still all in all was worth freezing my bits off for.

If he has even attempted an eye gouge he should face a long ban.

Its Leeds and they have the RFL in their pockets

We are Wigan Warriors and we have the rugby gods in ours.

Pity its the RFL panel that runs the game though.

He doesn't though, that's the whole point. If he really wanted to eye gouge, i'm sure it's not a difficult skill.

There was some pretty stupid stuff sung by our fans last night as well (about Tomkins

). Unfortunately more and more of it is creeping in and I don't like it one bit.

Lee Smith is just fustrated since his return from Union which has transformed him into a useless Yorskhire pudding.

It's fustrating how Farrell gets a ban for a poor tackling technique yet Smith will get away with something that is nothing other than malicious whether he connected or not.

I was at Headingley when a used bogbrush was thrown at us by Leeds fans a couple of years ago . Not very sporting !

Yeah, he shouldn't have bothered - he would still have easily caught him from behind.

Ok,,What about the Harrison Hansen Nice Little Forearm massage on Ryan Halls Face in the In-Goal Area...Just an Observation...?