I loved football when I grew up I loved Sonic "The Hedgehog With Attiutude" and Dennis the Menace and all the other things like that but my parents told me right from wrong and thats why I now have a degree a 20k a year job and a nice-ish car. Its nothing to do with whats on TV its all down to parenting.

The only delusional one is you. If the parents were good parents they'd switch whatever it was on TV off if it could be detrimental to the child's attitude and make their kids do homework/study or something else productive. Kids don't need to be slapped or whatever you want to be disciplined. You appear to be confusing "discipline" with "punishment".

Think before you speak.

You make it sound so easy, well you are in for a shock if you ever have kids. Kids just arent scared of anybody anymore. They dont respect teachers, police or figures of authority. You think its just a matter of turning the tv off? They can access stuff anywhere they want with internet at school, phones etc. Kids for years got a clip round ear as a form of discipline and people from them era's are a damn sight more respectful as they knew they couldnt do what they want and get away with it.

Think before i speak? This is a forum where i can voice my opinion, if you dont like it dont read it. You obviously have no clue on this matter.

Thats where the problem lies. Parents cant discipline children how they see fit anymore. I know a fella who as a last resort gave his son a clip nothing violent and his kid rung the police on him and he got a police caution! I you not.

Respect is taught. No kid will ever learn respect if their parents all give up and say "we cant do anything about it so why try" And as for the internet at school have you ever used school internet? You can't get on anything that isnt educational. If the schools any good with its filter that is. The phones all have protections for things kids shouldnt see unless the parent was stupid enough to turn it off for them so yeah. Don't talk to someone my age about technology I know how it works excuses are stupid there is no excuse for letting your kids take part in the riots or causing distress for the general public around them. Also I work with people up to the age of nearly 60 and I guarantee I have a damn sight more respect for the authority than the older generations.

If i had reported my dad, he would have said "OK, if i have mistreated him, YOU take him, i'm clearly not a fit and proper parent". Discipline is not about physical violence, but it is about teaching whats right and wrong. That IS a parents responsibility. I'm sick of hearing parents who just want to blame others for their failings... Tevez lives in a world with people who feel they are above the law............. And yeah, he needs a slap.

So you'd honestly give your child away to a total stranger? Dont be stupid.

The problem isnt just the teachers fault or the parents fault, its a combination of both, and also the group of "friends" they choose to hang round with

All im trying to say is that just because some kids are out of control its not always bad parenting because its not. Ive experienced parents with these problems first hand and in most cases ive come across theyve tried everything to discipline their children but there is only so far they can go because the law has taken parental control/discression out of it. If you think school computers filtering out websites stops kids then you are wrong, they did that at my school and its not hard to get around.

Tarring every parent with a troubled child as a bad parent is wrong and that is a pure fact.

Discipline is not all about physical violence but when i was growing up you knew that there was only so far you could push your luck before you got a crack. Thats where a large problem lies, kids are not scared of being punished anymore.

Do you think these kids dont know whats right and wrong? Get real, they do bad stuff because they want to and because they arent bothered about the consequences.

I mean whats the worst that can happen? Prison? Xbox all day for free

Re read... I said thats what my father would have said.... And it meant that we toe'd the line because we knew he was boss, and what he said was law. I behaved at school because my parents taught me too... They also made sure that they KNEW who we hung around with.... And don't call me stupid..

Parents, peers and educators all have a large role to play in a child's upbringing. But ultimately it's the child which has the biggest say on their behavior. Everyone knows right from wrong. It's my belief that the majority of these individuals are brainless numpty's, who don't give a sh*t because of their total lack of intelligence and comprehension of their own actions. Perhaps it's a simplistic view but it's what I feel.

At what stage of the game did the incident happen?

My bad, and i shall call whoever i deem fit to be stupid

....which is me in this case

Bout 60 mins into game i think.

True LTS, but your first point of contact is with your parents... Long before peer groups and educators...

I agree to an extent, but say a parent had abandoned their child and they have to be brought up in foster care with other children who are in the same situation. Who are also angry people, and rightly so with what they have been brought up into. Is it the childs fault that they behave this way?

I know it is an extreme example, but it shows how their upbringing and also the people they hang around with can effect their behaviour in some ways

Oh right, no defence then. If it had been 80+ mins, then i wouldn't blame him. Stupid how football teams sub players for these last few minutes.

This.

Used to like footy a lot, but at the top level it's just lost it's soul. Reckon you'd have a much better time watching a lower league team these days - at least there's still an honesty there.

I'd love to know why teachers have any fault in a child's behavioural problems.

Whats worse is there was a player (Dzeko) who came off just before this happened who had a right little tantrum because he had been taken off. So they had one numpty throwing his dolly out because he had been taken off then Tevez the idiot saying balls to that im not going on

And thats why I don't watch footy anymore. They're always moaning.

My son was once playing up to the enth degree, I was disciplining him when he said to me " touch me and I will phone Childline" the answer he got was a defining moment for the both of us. I said to him "before you hit the last number on the phone I will give you something to report me for". the look on his and my face made him realise the line had been crossed. We never had any more trouble from him and he is now a son I am truely proud of.

I smell a Daily Mail reader.

Teachers being too afraid to dicipline students, causing them to have a lack of respect for authority which stems to lacking respect to the police and therefore the law....