Grand Final is Wigan-Leeds. Certain.

I was nearly laughed off the board when I said 30+ against Catalans, so think before you bookmark this time

This did make me chuckle when you consider this fact from your posting information:

Most active forum: Wigan Warriors - cherryandwhite.co.uk

Seconded. Calling us obssesed with them yet he is here

Tell me how old are Deacon, Finch, Richards, Carmont, Fielden, Coley, Roberts, Lima & O'Loughlin is 30 next year, plus you are losing your most successful coach in the SL era, Hoffman, Carroll and probably Deacon are leaving, so tell me what does the future hold for this againg wigan team?

Meli - Wigan fans had a petition to re-sign an older centre.
Puletua/Perry - Props, no issues with early 30s props, especially when TP is still so good (Fielden? Coley?)
Gardner and Flannery would struggle to make the 17 next year, but Gardner is younger than Pat Richards anyway.
Wellens - Captain, but will be phased out over next season. Did OK at the DW recently.

Eastmond/Pryce/Graham - GONE. Deacon/Coley/Hoffman/Maguire - GONE

Well Wigan will be competing in their fourth consecutive under 20's GF this Saturday, hoping for a fourth consecutive win.

Tremendous record that.

Are Wigan or Wire favourites?

Age

Deacon = 32
Finch = 30
Richards = 29
Carmont = 33
Fielden = 31
Coley = 33
Roberts = 30
Lima = 29
O'loughlin = 28

Coley and Deacon are retiring. Roberts is a write off. O carroll has been injured for ages so hardly a miss.

Lima is 29, Richards is 29, Lockers is 29, Finch is 30, Fielden is 32 i think.

Hardly busting out the walking sticks

Pretty even I would have thought. Wire have beaten the Wigan side on both occasions they've met. Although Wigan topped the table come season end.

Nice. Good to see Wire bringing through some strong youngsters, the more the merrier.

Haven't Saints replaced 22 year old Eastmond with 28 year old Hohaia, and 26 year old Graham with 31 year old Laffranchi?

Definite conscious decisions to let those players go by Saints, no attempt whatsoever to keep hold of them.

Back in 2011, haven't Saints replaced 22 year old Eastmond with 20 year old Gaskell, and 29 year old Leon Pryce with 21 year old Jonny Lomax?

Here you go Rogues, enjoy: [urlhttp://www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/1261[/url As someone who is so keen on developing young players, I'm sure you'll be the first to congratulate . . . . . . . maybe not.

78% of our squad is under 23, thats the sign of an ageing side if I ever seen one

Indeed it is , but you have to be there to be in with a chance and I'd rather make it than not.

If Wigan win on Saturday I'll be going camping or something on GF day, as far away from Rugby as possible

Ahhhhhh the Wigan and Saints bickering is such a better read than the Wigan-Wanky bickering

Love a good old bit of derby banter! Even if it is the 6th this season and 5th in the same competition! Only in RL!

It's the first game in a good while theres been plenty of quality banter. I think Saints fans haven't felt too confident going in to the last few but they've perked up after last week and think they're in with a great shout (which they are).

We on the other hand went through years of knowing the result of these games before they were played and if a few of us have shown plenty of confidence this week maybe it's because we want the boot to now be on the other foot. We believe in our sides ability, we have shaken off that inferiority complex that left us quivering with nerves going in to these games and we believe we're the better side.

The rivalry should always be friendly in nature but not to the point where it takes the edge of wanting to win that much it's scary and it was in danger of going that way. I think they need to look at the format of the plays to make sure games like Wigan and Saints aren't over-played but the derby feels like it's back to it's very best this week.

If Wigan lose on Saturday I will stay and give Madge and the team a standing ovation for everything they have done for this club this season.

Saints v Wire would mean me not going to final for the firrst time in years. Will watch it on TV if thats the case.

The first final I managed to get to was last years, but like you say if it's Saints v Wire I won't be going either.

yep is must be ammazing being 2nd best all the time. tell me ,,, whats so better about finishing 2nd 3rd or 5th or 6 th



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No one remembers who didnt finish 1st. Well only saints fans



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Whats better about finishing 2nd over 3rd 4th ect,isnt it obvious ? its money the higher you finish the more you get,the more chance you have to appear in a grand final ( even if you lose ) the better sponsorship you can get,people will pay that bit more to get their name/logo on tv at the big occasion.

Never wanted us to lose more in my life - I'd much rather watch a Grand Final that could be a classic between Wigan and Warrington than another disappointing one in which one team is clearly not on a par with the other. This Saints team has done well in finishing third and remaining some what competitive at a time when the club is under going massive transitions, however I feel a Grand Final will do more damage than good to the current team. Of course the unthinkable could happen and we could go all the way, however I every much doubt it.

Well all that extra money has really helped the saints . Club is massivley in debt. chairman wants the ground open asap so he can plug the life out of it to try and get some money into the club ect. saints have lost a fat wad over the new ground.

Dont get me wrong i understand ur point but to 90% of fans, Rugby is all that matters and results on the pitch.

Wigan as a club has been more cash secure for years than saints, But it dosent show in silverware.