If he wasn't such a knob he could be a great player.

For me was your best player made good offloads too, then to do that in the last min for no reason at all is beyond stupid.

Change your bait.

Same here. Hopefully this will be a wakeup call. TBF his discipline has been fine since he got back something just must have ticked on Sunday

Summed up pretty well tbh. Nobody can really argue with that. Frustrating because he seemed to be getting better match sharpness wise etc.

That's the worst effort yet

NO...he is very talented player but is also a liability, he is more likely to lose us a game than he is to win one..i admire him for coming back from his misdemeanour but to me he isn't worth a place in the team

a full pre-season and i think you may have a different stance

Hes a class act

All the greats had a nasty side Edwards, Bell, Murphy, Boyd, Morley, Gregory etc etc.

Don't get me wrong, gouging is a naughty thing to be doing and he deserves whatever ban he receives, but i am happy he decked Harrison.

Now i am only talking about the punch and before the "mock" outraged majority jump on me for wishing blindness on a player, i would prefer not to be seeing anything like that.

I LOVE it when a Wigan player decides to chin a Wire, Saints, Leeds player, its all part of the game and its why i pay my money.
Perhaps he is a liability but its not like he lost us the game. I like the excitement of not knowing what is going to happen next.

absolutely.

imagine if it was the other way round... harrison would be labelled a hero by the rest of the fans in super league without a doubt

but it wasn't and you don't f*ck with Hock, because he'll poke you in the eye..!

Definition of eye gauge! Loss,of vision, streaming eyes, unable to open ur eyes, non of which happened!!!

Harrison never even felt hes eye or even touched hes eye after the incident that's because no finger went in hes eye Harrison wasnt hurt it was not malicious.
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Don't think modern coaches would agree with you. I posted on Mike's board [ibefore[/i the CC final team was announced I thought Faz would get the nod because he fitted into the team better whereas Hock would possibly wander away form the game plan if things got to him.

Despite not being in favour of handing him a five year deal and being one who would not have lost any sleep had he not been given another chance by the club I won't write him off after one stupid act. The trouble is opposition sides will be trying to goad him into another having seen this and the question is can he be professional enough not to react? If he reacts and does something daft again then his best hope for a future at Wigan is Wane is not like Madge because Madge would not play anyone who he thinks was a liability.

Even now if he only gets a one match ban for the punch I'd be surprised if he were picked for the final if we get there.

Just what I was thinking. Started a mini brawl. Could have been ugly. Players who run in are usually dealt with. Briers isn't even mentioned.
Tommy was referred for grabbing a foot!

I am sure that modern coaches would disagree with me but you have to take the rough with the smooth with players like that. I like the regimented style of Wigan's game but i also like the thrills that a player like Hock bring to the table.

When is he 37?

Could somebody explain to me the difference in Tomkins holding two fingers up to the opposing fans, and briers clapping the opposing fans with a smirk on his face, surely they both mean exactly the same? F.......F. One obvious, one obviously disguised.

One's a blatant and daft gesture, the other is playing the panto villain to perfection.

A year after his 36th birthday.

How many times has Joel done this and how many times has he been banned for it.

After getting away with his WWE "DDT" move I expected a longer ban

Absolutely, that's why wire loved Les Boyd.

The guy was probably the biggest thug to ever play RL.

The thing is, when he decided to play the game instead of trying to literally kill the opposition he was a class front rower. So don't take any crap from the 'whiter than white' wire fans.

They still revere him now.

IIRC he was [i'sine died' [/idownunder.

Sorry Ian but the "touche" was delivered quite some posts ago. Do keep up.

No you don't.

You are having to go back a long way there to draw a comparison with Hock's gouge.

The game was very very different then.

More recent was Mick Cassidys digraceful 'tackle' on Morley when moz was at Leeds

I have yet to see worse, apart from maybe Barrie Mac on Sironen.

Both ex Wigan players.....

And i am sure Cassidy was very well respected.

My point is, Hock should be judged on what he did, by todays standards. Comparisons with 30 years ago are utterly pointless and frankly a thinly veiled attempt to deflect attention from his thuggery and total loss of composure under pressure.

The fact that this board has 'fans' that seem to want to minimise or defend his actions reflects poorly on wigan and dare i say it, the wigan brand.

There's that big brush again. One or two muppets say something you disagree with and suddenly it's all of Wigan that's at fault.

For the record, I haven't seen anyone defend eye gouging. I have seen some say he didn't gouge the eyes (something that's still be decided if he's guilty or not of) but almost everyone has said what an idiot move it was and that he deserves whatever ban he gets.

Don't let that get in the way of your moral crusade we all know what angels the wire team is.