on Friday I would go with:

Sam
Marsh/Charnley (If Charnley deserved to be dropped for his performance vs FC, Goulding does for his on Friday)
Joel
Carmont
Richards
Finch
Deacon
Prescott
Tommy/McIlorum (I cant decide which would be the best to start)
Coley
Hoffman
Hansen
O'Loughlin

Lima
Tommy/McIlorum
Mossop
Farrell/Tuson Depending on Faz's injury.

When will everyone realise that Maguire isn't going to move Sam back into the halves?! Sam at full back is not the problem with the team at the moment. On Friday, too many players were off their game, and we made too many mistakes - bad passes, dropped balls and missed tackles. That's what we need to work on.

I wouldn't make wholesale changes to the side, as I think that would be counter-productive, but I would tweak things a little. In the backs, Roberts was poor in his last run out, and I think Marsh and Charnley deserve to be ahead of him in the pecking order - I couldn't doubt their effort on Friday. I'm still not convinced that Marsh is a better option than Joel at centre, so I'd maybe drop him to the bench.

In the halves, we've missed Deacon imo, and Finch looks to be trying too hard. I think we need to persevere with Finch, as I'm sure he'll come good, but I'd bring Deacs back in too.

We missed young Farrell too on Friday, so if he's fit, he has to come back in. Hoffman had his worst game in a Wigan shirt against Catalans, so I'd be tempted to give him a week off, and hopefully he'll come back full of vigour against Saints.

So, I'd go with:

Sam
Darrell
Joel
Carmont
Richards
Deacs
Finch
Coley
Leuluai
Prescott
Farrell
Hansen
Lockers

Lima
McIllorum
Mossop
Marsh

thats me telt

to be fair to Rogues theres a lot of folk on this board bleating that Sam should be at 6.

Well let WLA do a poll and then see who is in the minority.

I'll only listen to Sam to 6 from someone who gives me a viable alternative at fullback. And by viable, I mean an in form Roberts. Until Roberts hits some form we have no alternative.

Agreed.

I think were in to much of a mess at present, but later on in the season perhaps Matty Russel may warrant a game at FB for the first team.

You might have a point if it were randomly done and the result actually showed you were in a minority, but as that wouldn't be possible you don't know if you or I are actually in the minority on this one.

Funny how you don't seem to keep mentioning you were "in a minority" about signing Ryan McGoldrick for fullback or giving Noble a contract extension for last season, in the way you do with other things. Any reason why?

And there's a lot who say leave him at fullback or haven't said either way - hence why this "minority" bollox is just that. Some people are desperate to find an excuse for our ropey form so the Sam for 6 brigade are vocal. I didn't hear many at the end of last season or the start of this.

How exactly does Roberts find form unless he is playing in his best position?

I personally agree with you but I think this is the perfect week to give Roberts gametime at FB. Hull KR have their best kicker out so he will be under less pressure. He had a nightmare against Hudds due to the high bombs.... I don't think he will have the same problem, he will be fine against KR.

Of course our problems are in the pack, but having Leuluai at hooker makes a world of difference. His ability to run with ball in hand causes teams all sorts of problems for the other team.

The issue with McIlorum is that it's one out rugby at times - and if their forwards are bigger, fresher, and more aggressive than your forwards that's always going to fail. When Leuluai is shifted there it changes things up - his distribution and scooting ability are superior to McIlorum and he really leads the team around the park. It makes a massive difference.

Richards.

I'd give Roberts a 4/5 weeks on the wing no matter how he plays to get him back up to speed. IF he can get anywhere near last seasons form, I think we'll be a better team with him at 1 and Sam at 6. If he can't get up to speed in those few weeks then Sam is the only realistic option at 1.

His nightmare at Hudds was only from bombs in the first half. He returned the ball well and apart from a dodgy pass into touch, he linked up well.

The same grace has got to be given to Finch. Too many people calling for his head after no real pre-season and 1 starting game and 2 subs.

I also thought we seemed much better with Leuluai at hooker and I'd prefer him to play there but I don't think Finch/Deacon is the right combination at halves. Tricky one really.

Not for me. He hasn't got the passing or running game of a modern fullback in the mould of Tomkins, Roberts, Phelps, Greenshields, Slater, Minachelo (sp), Hodgson etc. He's a winger for mine.

I'd like to go with ...

Sam
Charnley/Marsh
Joel
Carmont
Pat
Deacon
Tommy
Coley
McLlorum
Lima
Farrell
Hoffman
Lockers

Finch
Mossop
Prescott
Hansen

That's because we had a sense of cohesion in the halves - Deacon's absence is being massively understated by many IMO.

We saw exactly what Sam has to offer at Full Back in the first 3 minutes on Friday, when he puts himself into the line like that he can be unplayable at times.

Long term, Sam should play at 1 for me, but until we have Finch firing on all cylinders and able to offer a sense of direction and play making to the team, Sam is better served at 6 where he can influence the team more.

So what is the problem? It is just my opinion he should play there because we look far better with Sam at 6. It is about the whole team.

How about trying Matty Russell at Full Back?

I was told he was injured after the Leeds game but I really don't know why he hasn't been allowed to string a few games together.

I really don't understand some people's desperation to move Sam to 6.

Why would we do that when we allowed Deacon to play on for another year, and bought another half back in Finch?

I think most people agree we've missed Deacs, so I'd bring him back to partner Finch. Deacs might just help take the pressure off Finch, that he's obviously feeling in trying to adapt. He's pushing it too much, and needs to relax a bit more. Deacs also has the best long kicking game of any of our kickers, and would make a difference their too.

Plus letting Tommy and Micky share the hooking role, would add a bit of variety. It would also give us options off the bench.

I'd do it for defensive purposes more than anything - he's safe as houses under the bomb. He also runs it back like a forward and he could still chime into the line in attack - just obviously he wouldn't do it with the skill of Tomkins.

The anomaly is that we really took it to Hudds' pack a month ago, why can't we do it consistently against the better packs? I bet Wane's doing his nut in.

You say that Marsh is bigger that Goulding,not according to the club site.

Goulding 179cm = app 5'10+ 84kilo = app 14st -5lb

Marsh 172cm = app 5-8 78kilo = app 13st-11

I seem to recall Sam having a stormer at full back in the same fixture last year so I wouldn't be tempted to move him just yet. It's our moves that have become predictable not Sam being on the end of them. We need to vary it up a bit because teams have now done their homework.

Fair enough, one of my points was isolated and inaccurate. Overall I still feel other players deserve a run out there as Goulding doesn't cut it.