I can't help but think we're overhyping Lima a bit too much. Let him find his feet and knock a few teams about before you start talking about him dominating the second best prop in the comp

I expect Lima to show us what he is made of on friday! Huge atmosphere in a massive game, there is no better time.

He has made a good start and I have no doubt he will improve.

for me Lima s getting all the wrong balls , standing start balls,flat balls etc

Morley will bury him

I think alot of people just look at total metres made when it comes to props and it obviously plays a huge part but due to sides playing with different tactics in regards to their props it's not the be all and end all imo. If you look at someone like Mossop or Prescott for us their metres per carry stats are probably better illustrations of what they're bringing to the side because we rotate between 4 props and all of them seem to get pretty equal amounts of gametime. If you compare their gametime to that of Graham or Lynch for example it's not as high and therefore their total metres are way less but i'd guess their metre per carry stats staxk up pretty well.

I think your right about guys like Clough, Prescott, Mossop etc. They all get the job done with the minimum of fuss and play huge roles in their sides without getting the plaudits.

Spot on with that. I think Prescott and Mossop are now getting the plaudits though.

Aw look, it is a result of the hard work the have put into training and they are now getting the rewards of that hard work, they have set standards for themselves and they are looking to improve week by week

Quote ="The Punisher"Our most effective prop so far this season has been Paul Wood, his stats against Morley and Carvell are very impressive. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011'" Ah, another good Wigan lad

Quote ="The Punisher"Our most effective prop so far this season has been Paul Wood, his stats against Morley and Carvell are very impressive. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011'" Ah, another good Wigan lad

One thing I'd like to see added to the published stats is "minutes played". Few, if any, of the sources mention them.

quite right



lima has played less than a handfull of SL games and we are already expecting him to match up to a Man of Steel winner and English League Legend!

i'd be more than happy if he put up as good as he gets against anyone to be honest, i wasn't too impressed with Lima to be honest last time out against hudds although i don't think he had much game time either?

if we look at hoffman, he's just managed to adapt fantastically and thats one of those things. some gel instantly and some need time. i'm sure as the season goes on Lima will show us he is worth the signature. but saying that i can't really comment on him "not doing very well so far" as like i say - none of us have seen too much of him as yet.

Give the big guy a break,its not the first time we've seen an overseas player come over and struggle for the first few months or even a full season.what makes it look worse has been the impact that Hoffman has had at the start of the season.
Lets not judge him off just 4 games,we all know that he is a quality prop or Madge wouldn't have bought him,so lets all be patient and give the guy some time to find his feet.

When he takes the ball in does he stop waiting for the tackle?
Is he dropping the ball?
Is he in hiding when the opposition props are coming down the middle?
Is he continually giving penalties away because he's too laboured getting away from the tackle?

If you can answer yes to most or all of the above then carry on whinging, if it's a no then let him carry on finding his feet in a different country with a different style of game.

Compare Lima's workrate in terms of hitups and tackles to Feka during their respective spells on the field and you can be sure he's a vast improvement.

He'll get better as well, I'm very confident about that.

If you answer yes to all those then, hello Ryan Bailey

Lima is not an impact prop in the mold of Feka, Anderson he is a solid player who does a lot of hard graft and can play for longer than 20 min sessions. The Wigan pack is the hardest working in SL the impact player could be Hock if he returns to first team action

i think if it's anything like last seasons games. and wire need the ball back you know morley gonna step up and try force a knock on (i know hansen didn't drop the ball , fair play to him) but can you say the same about lima? i don't know.

On that basis i am still baffled why we are only getting similar game time out of lima as we did out of feka ?

If you went back through the loast 40 years you would be amazed at the number of Wiganers who have given Warrington fantastic service.

On that basis i am still baffled why we are only getting similar game time out of lima as we did out of feka ?

I have yet to see Lima struggling to get back in the line, Feka had a run this way sign printed on his ar*e, easy metres for any quick hooker Higham, Roby etc. He may get more game time against the bigger less mobile Wire front two Morley and Carvell

Maybe Lima was signed too soon, the Melbourne players were signed before the end of season run and I am sure that the coaching team were suprised at how well the young forwards aquitted themselves in the back end of 2010.

Too true, in recent times Parry Gordon and Mike Gregory spring to mind.

If we hadnt signed Lima then Fielden got injured for 4 months people would have been screaming that we needed another prop. Lima is a top class acquisition to the squad who has plenty of NRL and international experience and give him time and he will show us what he can do, hopefully tomorrow night for one! With Coley set to retire, Fielden injured, Preccy and Mossop playing out of their skin and Davies and Crosby waiting for an opportnity I think we currently have an excellent blend of youth and experience in our front row.

Landerson made him drop it at the DW.

Infact, instructions to Hansen this year from madge "dont stand still holding the ball"

Top class acquisition Lima wouldn't have him at cuthberts

Well done Lima. Great tonight. Really showed up...


Oh, wait

We certainly lost the game tonight in the forwards for sure !