Of course you can, Hock played the same game under a number of coaches. He's a talented lad and a hell of an athlete, but he's never been an intelligent footballer. The point being made is not that he doesn't have talent, which he has in spades or that the new coaching regime haven't improved certain players - they have. The biggest ask for me is if Hock can develop his game to fit into the current gameplan as his natural style is some way outside it.

the same could have been said about lockers , penalty machine etc , look at him now

fact is its up to the players , if they want to stay and play , they need to conform


i cant wait to see him back in a wigan shirt

I agree with most of this. The big question for me is whether Hock can step back up to the plate.

As for his ban, well imo it was a hell of a ban for recreational drug use that wasn't about trying to gain an advantage on the field. As far as I am concerned there is no issue with his past whatsoever.

I think there are two separate points. Back in the dark days of Millward & Noble, we had no coaching towards support play, so there was rarely anyone there to take advantage of his offloads. Even back then I always said we needed an Edwards to be backing him up. That has changed.

I agree he'll need to be more selective about when he does it, but that can be coached into him, I'm confident, and more crucially, the current coaching staff have the ability to put in place a support tactic to have someone always on his shoulder - much as Leeds try to do with Lauititi, or Wire with Solomona.

Someone like Sam could have a field day running off the shoulder of Hock - much like Radders used to do off Andy Farrell.

It may take some time but he's a natural talent - sooner or later he'll be an automatic choice for the 17.

If he is back in training today, what on earth was he doing in Dominos the night before he is about to train for Madge for the first time?!

Perhaps he was hungry?

Why not?

Last supper before Mr Bitcon unleashes the beastings.

its 2 for tuesdays derrrrrrr

No news yet, still waiting for reply.

Ahh its all clear now.



I think Mr Bitcon would of ensured he saw the pizza again this morning

Correct. Gareth Hock would be absolutely devastating in the NRL. Sometimes Gareth Hock was made to look daft when offloading the ball because no-one was backing him up. It is a two-sided coin. If someone backs him up and we get that second phase Gareth Hock is praised, but if he offloads and finds the ground with no-one reacting quick enough then Hock is scolded. I noticed from the WCC match that the St. George players were like a school of piranhas latching onto the ball from the offloading player. Now while Wigan have definitely improved in this area since the Noble days, we still have a tendency to sometimes be lethargic in support. I still believe that we can improve this area of our game. St. George were far superior to us in this department.

I just hope that we don't expect too much from Gareth Hock too soon. The expectations on this forum is astronomical. The lad has been out of the game for two years and I don't care who he has been working with, how much he has bulked up or how much talent he undoubtedly possesses - he wont be match fit and for a good while too. He will have to spend a few weeks - possibly months - in the reserves and will need a good few weeks - again possibly months - to get up to speed with the well formulated systems that Madge/Wane have put together. Plus he has to get in front of some damn good players who have been performing very well since he's been gone. I hope that fans are able to have patience with Gareth Hock when he returns & not just naively expect him to start running rings around opponents for the remainder of the year. Rugby League just doesn't work like that.

I expect Hock to be used very much as impact from the bench and for that reason I do not think he will be spending too long in the reserves.

I think the game plan will be very simple. Hit it up hard and defend down the middle. I do not expect him to even attempt to throw any offloads as he will need time to get up to speed and the pace of the games.

To me Hock and not Lima will be the Feka style player replacement offering basic hard powerful hit ups, but in more sustained periods than Feka could and with more agility in defence.

I know its old ground and all done and dusted , but I still don't think what he did deserved such a long ban.
It was not performance enhancing drugs that he took and as such in my mind the sentence that he got was harsh.

By the way I am wholly and totally against any sort of illegal drugs.

The ban is standard for all sports signed up to the WADA code of practice of which rugby league is one.

The problem was he threw the offloads even when there wasn't anyone there. Not to mention he tried to offload when his arm wasn't free. He often played like it was the 5th tackle every time he carried the ball.

Under MM i would hazard a guess that Wigan offload less than most teams and when we do it is only in high percentage situations. We look far more concerned with getting a quick PTB and a implementing structured attack as opposed to continuous broken field play.

If Hock comes back and starts chucking wunder offloads across the park, i am sure that MM will have a word.

Get him used as a battering ram first and foremost. Get him hurting people.

I am not worried about his offloading, its his lack of concentration in defence and his high missed tackle count that will count against him if anything.

I am sure it is not hard for MM to say "Gareth........NO offloading"

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Wasnt standard for Justin Harrison

As I understand it Harrison was not caught by WADA and was caught out of competition, hence he did not come under their jurisdiction.

Hock was caught from a sample taken after a game and as such was subject to the WADA guidelines.

Newton was caught out of competition, also he didnt need to be caught as he admitted to doing it

Well take it up with the RFL.

Hock was caught under WADA regs and was punished in line with their policy.