The point is still valid.
It was a hypothetical, you don't get credit for working that out.

The point is... If we had Brett last year (the variable) and he made (let's say) 90% of his kicks, Wire would be top?

And he is right.

Your point only works if he didn't qualify it with Brett. If he had said say... If Westwood was a better kicker, we would have been top.

You see? I may be confusing the issue.

Your biggest threats will be the likes of Wakefield, Harlequins, Crusaders and Catalan Dragons who’ll be all treating their game with you as a cup final.

I thought i'd search myself as i agree, i shouldn't just take things as fact.

Wigan: 3 draws Hudds/bradford/ gained 2, Wire lost 1 point = 1 points extra

Wire: 3 draws Wigan/Saints/Leeds 3 points gained = 3 points extra

Saints: 2 draws Hull kr 1 gained, wire 1 lost = 0 points

1st Wigan 45 points
2nd Wire 43 points
3rd Saints 40 points

So he was wrong but that could have been a big difference for us.

Thing is (this bit is slightly silly in some respect) if we'd have had BH we might have actually gone for 2 more often than we did.

Love it. 1 poor season by our usual very high standards, and suddenly we're a spent force. The squad is pretty much the same as the 3xChampions but yet its no longer good enough to challenge for trophys.

the culture of your club will certainly have to change if you are to be considered as serious gf contenders,i congratulate you on peaking for one off,randomly drawn out of the hat games,spaced apart by several weeks.
the fact that warrington can only peak for these types of games <as of the end of 2010 season>,clearly speaks volumes as to why you will have to seriously improve to make an inpact on the play-offs!

let's hope your goalkicker doesn't miss a single kick this season eh?

Although I still think you will be up there, the fact that your squad hasn't changed is probably one of the reasons why you had a poor season. Every other top side has improved whilst you've stayed the same. Every side needs freshening up once in a while.

Plus I just don't rate your new coach that much, I hope i'm wrong as we need good british coaches but I can't see how he'd be an improvement.

Read it again, slow decline not sudden

Yes the squad is pretty much the same only...older

Coaching staff is....... hmmmm...different

Youth team not the greatest

Bookmark this if you like, but 5 years time you will be a mid table side, say what you want about Wire we may be too but at the moment there is nothing suggesting otherwise about Leeds.

Not arrogant it's not my way, just calling it as i see it.

Warrington.

But hopefully they will pussy out in the playoffs, again.

Ok i'll bookmark it!


as warrington and wigan are clearly on the up, then you can all bookmark this:
our 3 in a row gf wins will not be broken in the same 5 years

If we are a 'spent force' that surely means at the present time?

I know you not been arrogant and believe me your not the only one to write Leeds off. But the team getting older...yeah sure but the vast majority are still in their 20s! As for the youth I will tell you Leeds have got 5/6 younsters contending for the first places that will win international honours at some point in there careers. Nothing at all has changed from 07/08/09 and see it as sorry excuses but Leeds had a very tough season last year. Horrendous luck with injurys, a very bad heavy pitch for the first 3 months slowing play down (something you guys are concerned about at present) and we didn't have a week off until the playoffs - and we still finished 4th and the CC final, not many teams would have done that.

Now I'm not saying Leeds will walk this season by any means, but they will be there along with Wigan, Wire, Hudds and Saints having a battle royal for SL. One thing is for sure any of those 5 can win, and we dont say that every year do we.

Saints for me.

But, if we didn't have Pat, we may have ran the ball more and scored more tries !!!!!!, as I said, if's and but's.............

I agree, the last bit of my post was being a bit playful

Fair enough

, do you think Westwood will do any kicking again this year, or will it be mainly BH and Briers ?

ourselves and complacency...........but im sure Madge will take care of that obstacle

Yes at some point, we have a few good kicker just no stand out kickers, BH has addressed that.

Absolute rubbish.
Buderus 33
Cross 32
Kirke 30
Lautiti 31
Lauluai 32
Peacock 33
Senior 34
Sinfield 30
Webb 30

JJB 30 this year.

That's 10 out of your normal starting 17.

How so?

4 Teams in my opinion, Huddersfield represent a bigger threat this year than Leeds. If you finish outside the top 4 which I honestly believe you will, then your chances of getting to the grand final seriously weaken.

Not sure you're right here

Wire were amazingly consistent in 2010 up until they won at Wembley, considering that they had previously been totally inconsistent:

Leeds 2007 37 league points + SL Champions
Leeds 2008 42 points + SL Champions
Leeds 2009 42 points + SL Champions
Wire 2010 40 points

So they were as consistent as Leeds when they were champions, but peaked for the cup rather than the GF.

St.Helens

Too much is being made and will continue to be made about the loss of Cunningham, i can already hear Eddie & Steve harp on about this ahead of Saturdays match.

Whilst Cunningham has been a great player for St.Helens i don't think he was the same player in 2010 as what he has been previousley and Saints have a number of other players who are more than capable of filling the void imo.

I do think that a lot will rest on both Pryce and Eastmond to really show what they can do in 2011 and behind a better pack than last season they have every reason to do that.

Saints have recruited well, Josh Perry will make a huge difference to them and his expierience will help to develop LMS too and will provide some support to Graham who has had to do far too much on his own in recent seasons.

I like the centre Shenton too, he will make Saints more of an attackong threat out wide and our centres will need to keep him under wraps on Saturday.

If Simmons can improve them further in 2011 then they will be serious title contendors.

There's always one.

I'd be tempted to say Warrington but there's just something telling me that they ain't quite ready yet. Mind you, everyone said that about Wigan this time last season.

Besides Wire, it's got to be Saints IMO. They may of lost KC but they still have an incredible team.

I actually think winning the CC was the nail in the coffin for Wire regards winning the GF, i even discussed with my brother that if we win the CC we'll do nothing after that but if we lose we'll get to Old Trafford.

I'm not saying winning the double isn't possible but it is a massive ask mentally nowadays with a few teams so evenly matched.