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| Quote ="superant1982uk"When did Saints have best supported club?'"
We have the best fans. Thus, the best supported club.
Unless you were meaning the club with the highest number of supporters?
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"We have the best fans. Thus, the best supported club.
Unless you were meaning the club with the highest number of supporters?
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"We have the best fans . Thus, the best supported club.
Unless you were meaning the club with the highest number of supporters?
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True! They always want their team to advance.
That's why they keep shouting 'FORWARD'.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"=#FF4000And Saints didn't do all those did they?
Or if they did please tell us when.
It'll all be explained to you on the 22nd April, if you go that is, but I'm sure the cameras will pick it up.
BTW, RL didn't begin in 1996.'"
Just another reason to look forward to it!
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| Quote ="jdrocket"as much as it pains me to say
I've never seen a mass exodus from knowsley road. Seen a fair few from DW.
Saints have better supporters.
now i am gonna shower and scrub hard. I feel dirty now'"
Who is the better supporter? The Few thousand who turn up to the match but then leave early when they get beat, or the thousands who don't bother turning up at all, other than at the Grand Finals & Wembley (claiming they have been ever present all along)?
Less than Ten Thousand averages when Stains were winning the double, yet Wigan achieved 15-16k near the bottom of the league in 2006. Even with a football team within it's town recently promoted to the biggest league in the world.
It never ceases to amaze me how fans with smaller stadium capacities than our aveage crowds can feel the need to have a pop at our support..
ANCIENT & LOYAL.
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| Quote ="jdrocket"
I've never seen a mass exodus from knowsley road.
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Can't have a mass exodus when the mass isn't there to start with.
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| Quote ="Geoff"Can't have a mass exodus when the mass isn't there to start with.'"
touche!!!
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| Quote ="-Tracie-"k020.gif
touche!!!'"
gotta agree. that was a nice touch.
i wouldn't go as far as to say Saints have the best support. I don't know.
i would say at the moment there are more 'better supporters' at other clubs.
but, again, i will have to shower. Cause the crowds Wigan could get when on the verge of relegation is good.
The football bit is rubbish though. That is the most contrived rubbish i have ever heard. A rubbish team, the pet of a wealthy owner, in a rugby die hard town. They would never gain too much support. Are they gonna paint me blue now?
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| Quote ="jdrocket"gotta agree. that was a nice touch.
i wouldn't go as far as to say Saints have the best support. I don't know.
i would say at the moment there are more 'better supporters' at other clubs.
but, again, i will have to shower. Cause the crowds Wigan could get when on the verge of relegation is good.
The football bit is rubbish though. That is the most contrived rubbish i have ever heard. A rubbish team, the pet of a wealthy owner, in a rugby die hard town. They would never gain too much support. Are they gonna paint me blue now?'"
Its only this last couple of years that their crrowds have reduced to less than 15k. They had 2-3 seasons with 20-22k averages. Bit more than 'never gain too much support'.
Where is there such a distraction in Warrington & St Helens? (And dont say Liverpool/Everton or United), we have just as many of those in our town as well.
That distraction has definitely weaned off to a hardcore support of 9-10k plus a few thousand freebies! But it was still there these last few years which were definitely a threat to the future of our club!
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| Quote ="jdrocket"The football bit is rubbish though. That is the most contrived rubbish i have ever heard. A rubbish team, the pet of a wealthy owner, in a rugby die hard town. They would never gain too much support. Are they gonna paint me blue now?'"
Wigan, Wire & Saints are all similar sized towns. Wigan is the only 2 team town. There is very little cross over because of 20 odd years of open hostility. Dismiss Latics as you may but fact is that they draw support from the town. Neither Saints or Wire have that competition. As Matty says, don't use the LFC, MUFC, Everton excuse as Wigan is full of such supporters. In fact, supporters of these teams aren't a threat to Wigan RL as you get a lot of MUFC/EFC/LFC/MCFC Wigan RL fans.
Put all that together and compare Wigan's success with that of Saints over the past decade (Saints golden age) and it's clear that Wigan's support leaves them in the shade. I know it puts everyone else in the shade in fact I'd be interested to hear your views that there are better supporters. I respect Hull FC's support during the same period. I have little respect for Leeds as they crawled out of the woodwork ala Bradford Bulls. No one else comes close
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| Quote ="MattyB"Less than Ten Thousand averages when Stains were winning the double, yet Wigan achieved 15-16k near the bottom of the league in 2006. Even with a football team within it's town recently promoted to the biggest league in the world.'"
In our previous golden era of the 1950s and 60s, we averaged 14,000. During our Superleague golden era we have averaged between 9,000 and 11,000 (up and down). However, in 1936 our crowds fell to 2000 when a decade before they had been regularly at 20,000 and a decade after were a similar number.
However, Wigan have [ialways[/i had a higher number of supporters than have Saints. Wigan has [ialways[/i been a bigger town than St Helens, much bigger at one point. Wigan is a much older town than St Helens. St Helens has hardly been in existence, not even 200 years old. St Helens has always been a poorer town than Wigan. These things are historical and cultural and will probably never change.
It makes no difference whether Saints are successful or not, the crowds will never be as big as Wigan's. Wigan people just seem to enjoy watching their sport live more than St Helens people do. And now that we've been overrun by scousers, who brought their soccer with them, we have no hope!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"In our previous golden era of the 1950s and 60s, we averaged 14,000. During our Superleague golden era we have averaged between 9,000 and 11,000 (up and down). However, in 1936 our crowds fell to 2000 when a decade before they had been regularly at 20,000 and a decade after were a similar number.
However, Wigan have [ialways[/i had a higher number of supporters than have Saints. Wigan has [ialways[/i been a bigger town than St Helens, much bigger at one point. Wigan is a much older town than St Helens. St Helens has hardly been in existence, not even 200 years old. St Helens has always been a poorer town than Wigan. These things are historical and cultural and will probably never change.
It makes no difference whether Saints are successful or not, the crowds will never be as big as Wigan's. Wigan people just seem to enjoy watching their sport live more than St Helens people do. And now that we've been overrun by scousers, who brought their soccer with them, we have no hope!'"
The reason you had no support in your early years was that you were the "second" team in town. It took a Wigan legend to turn you into a shadow of Wigan, a shadow you have never got out of.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"The reason you had no support in your early years was that you were the "second" team in town. It took a Wigan legend to turn you into a shadow of Wigan, a shadow you have never got out of.'"
The first team in town went bust well before our crowds dropped to 2000. Saints became the first team in town before the crowds dropped to 2000. And your former coach came to Saints well after our crowds dropped to 2000. They had recovered again by the time he came. What he did was take us to our first Challenge Cup win, I believe. Plus numerous other trophies.
But no, we have never sunk to buying our success. We have earned it the tough way: by performing on a level playing field. Consequently, we never had to sell our stadium to pay off the debts that buying success created. We left that to the mighty Wigoon! We are selling our stadium for a better stadium.
We have the best club, you see.
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| Quote ="MattyB"Who is the better supporter? The Few thousand who turn up to the match but then leave early when they get beat, or the thousands who don't bother turning up at all, other than at the Grand Finals & Wembley (claiming they have been ever present all along)?
Less than Ten Thousand averages when Stains were winning the double, yet Wigan achieved 15-16k near the bottom of the league in 2006. Even with a football team within it's town recently promoted to the biggest league in the world.
It never ceases to amaze me how fans with smaller stadium capacities than our aveage crowds can feel the need to have a pop at our support..
ANCIENT & LOYAL.'"
Yes, but its OUR ground, thank you, David Campbell and his cronies are against long term tenants so watch out.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"The reason you had no support in your early years was that you were the "second" team in town. It took a Wigan legend to turn you into a shadow of Wigan, a shadow you have never got out of.'"
"Ancient and Loyal" Rogues was one of those 20 million Wigan fans who never missed a match in the second division.
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| Quote ="Benidorm John""Ancient and Loyal" Rogues was one of those 20 million Wigan fans who never missed a match in the second division.'"
I missed about four or five that year due to work commitments, it was difficult to get a plane back from Mexico or Nigeria and be back in work the next morning.
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| Quote ="jdrocket"as much as it pains me to say
I've never seen a mass exodus from knowsley road. Seen a fair few from DW.
Saints have better supporters.
now i am gonna shower and scrub hard. I feel dirty now'"
Obviously never saw the pictures from Knowsley Road at H/T (Was it 97) When they did the Saints Stampede!
I'm guessing a Wolf Bandwagoner?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I missed about four or five that year due to work commitments, it was difficult to get a plane back from Mexico or Nigeria and be back in work the next morning.'"
Category 2!
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I missed about four or five that year due to work commitments, it was difficult to get a plane back from Mexico or Nigeria and be back in work the next morning.'"
Any excuse Where did you get that? "Billy's Weekly Liar"
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| Quote ="Benidorm John"Any excuse
Where did you get that? "Billy's Weekly Liar"'"
Aye trying to listen into English news programmes on a specially bought for purpose Short Wave radio to get the Rugby results.
Those were the days.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"The first team in town went bust well before our crowds dropped to 2000. Saints became the first team in town before the crowds dropped to 2000. And your former coach came to Saints well after our crowds dropped to 2000. They had recovered again by the time he came. What he did was take us to our first Challenge Cup win, I believe. Plus numerous other trophies.
=#FF0000But no, we have never sunk to buying our success. We have earned it the tough way: by performing on a level playing field. Consequently, we never had to sell our stadium to pay off the debts that buying success created. We left that to the mighty Wigoon! We are selling our stadium for a better stadium.
We have the best club, you see.
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Paul Newlove, Paul Sculthorpe, Bobby (Bobbie) Goulding, Sean Long, Anthony Sullivan, Sonny Nickle, Chris Joynt, Tommy Martyn, Villa Matautia, Paul Atcheson, Scott Gibbs were all ex THatto Heath players were they?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Paul Newlove, Paul Sculthorpe, Bobby (Bobbie) Goulding, Sean Long, Anthony Sullivan, Sonny Nickle, Chris Joynt, Tommy Martyn, Villa Matautia, Paul Atcheson, Scott Gibbs were all ex THatto Heath players were they?'"
Nope. Some of them came from Blackbrook, didn't you know?
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| Loving the fact that this board is awash with 'level playing field', 'bought success' and 'Wigan walk' digs again.
Shows we are truly back making the usual suspects sick with envy
RECORD League & Cup Winners. Forever in our shadow. The lot of you.
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