I think it's quite cute really - like a toddler bringing a finger-painting home to stick up on the fridge.

Unfortunately, I am old enough to have been to most of those finals, being honest about it, I got bored and missed a couple. That is not arrogance btw, it is fact, I fell out with the game because it was too easy for us. I much prefer it nowadays with some real competition. By mentioning jealousy, I meant the fact that you haven't won the league since.... before my time. My first game was the Lancashire cup final in 1980 at Knowsley Road where you beat us. (Well done.) Where you there.? (Yes, I was only a kid but went to all of the div 2 matches that season from that point on.)

I don't want this to become another which is best GF or CC thread, but until you win the league you will never be regarded as a great team. Fact is for all of our CC wins we more often than not won the league as well.

i think my point was that by saying he was alive the last time wigan were sucessfull implied he was probably very young at the time! he went on to ask me if warrington had played in a WCC match, which they had.
now your sharp and witty retort left me wondering if your the reincarnation of oscar wilde!

You mean Warrington played in a WCC match when everyone entered the competition and I think even London Broncos managed to beat the Canberra Raiders?

It will be a long time before you play in a real club challenge match (Champions of SL v Champions of NRL)

Typical small club mentality, clutching onto straws!!

was 9 at Manly so not too young and remember it well, sorry when I menat the WCC I meant the top competition not the silly top team play off one where even Salford were in.

Every Pie fan I have spoken to (who was old enough) did the same, All 20 million of them. Ancient and Loyal, thats what we like

I'll bet you Wigan's crowds in Division 2 weren't too far off those of Saints & Leeds. Remember that was a depressing time for crowds in general within rugby league. The Hull clubs were doing Ok but most others were struggling. We averaged 4500 that season. Be interested to see what Saints averaged that year (80/81)

funny that i remember a silly top team playoff this year with crusaders in it that most wigan fans were pleased they won! it's funny how you can change things to suit isn't it?
i despair sometimes i really do!

it was still the world club challenge, i suppose in a way the grand final is just the premiership final under a different name



ancient and boring!

we'll never be truly able to measure what warringtons crowds would have been in the 2nd division having never been there, however in 81 we won 2 trophies so i imagine we had reasonable crowds as well, i was there at the time but didn't do a head count tbh! to busy having fun!

we also finished top of the league but no one minded as the name was changed from champions to league leaders. Cant have it both ways.

Don't know the average for 80/81, but the attendances for the derby's during that period were were.
79/80 26/12/79, Central Park, Wigan 10 Saints 16, Att 7,263
04/04/80, KR, St Helens 20 Wigan 17, Att 8,456

81/82 Three mathes were played,
13/02/82, CC 1st Round, KR, Saints 12 Wigan 20, Att 7,611
09/04/82, KR, Saints 13 Wigan 11 Att 7,466
25/04/82 CP Wigan 23 Saints 5 Att 7,242
Compare those with 59/60
15/04/59 KR 12-4, Att 29,673
26/12/59 CP 7-19 Att 31,197
07/05/60 KR Championship play-off 9-19 Att 32,094 (Murphy-Sullivan!!!)
During 1959-60, apart from Vollenhoven, Prinsloo and Punchy Griffiths (all South Afrians) the remainding players were all British. certainly food for thought there.
For all you Ancient and Loyal, yes, I did attend all those games, wonderful memories, No Micron Video's them days i'm sorry to say.

no one said i wanted it both ways! i agree you won the league, and the playoff grand final! that was far from the point i was making, now who's stupid?

Do you really want us to answer that?

one typo, and your on it like a flash rogues! but really your deflecting from the point i was making, are you not?

You havent missed anything, everybody still hates us

Well I know Wire only averaged 4800 in season 1988/89 when RL was in much better health attendance wise than the late 70's/early 80's. Seems like the 'major' trophy successes you enjoyed with the Lancs Cup & JPS in 1981 didn't exactly inspire the Warrington public to get behind the club during the rest of that decade.

I said I didn’t want this thread to turn into a which is best CC or GF. Looks like it’s turned into who has the best support, past and present. We all know the answer to that one, so lets just let supporters of other teams believe what they want.

I was only 6 at the time, and don’t really remember the games when we where in Div 2, but I do remember really enjoying it. (Otherwise I would have stopped going?) One memory was playing Swinton at Station Road on boxing day in the snow. I sat on a crash barrier for the whole match and when I got of at the end, I couldn’t stand up because my legs had fallen asleep. Had to go on my dad’s shoulders back to the car. Great days.

That game bring back memories. I was driving so didn't have a drink.
My mate (Wigan Bob) pulled out a bottle of Bacardi, a bottle of coke and a glass from his pocket. He filled the glass, held it up to the sky to catch some snow and shouted "free ice"

I missed about four games that season due to work commitments, but it was one if the most enjoyable I have ever had as an RL fan. We met up with some great people from other clubs who were true Rugby League fans, and were always made welcome.

As usual