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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Correct.
We have been too dependent on the scooter hooker die with the ball hooker for too long. I've been moaning about it for years, at last I have got at least one supporter.'"
You have another here.
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Sinfield at hooker demonstrated how poor roby's distribution was. It was no coincidence England got going with some clean ball at acting half.'"
I have been saying Sinfield should play Hooker for quite a while now. Then leave a spot on the becnh for extra punch in the pack which we will need against aus and NZ.
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| Burgess and Crabtree was our best forwards today
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| One Thing that needs to stop is the Flat pass. it is a waste of time.
9 out of ten times the attacking player is still juggling the ball during impact with the defence. Either that or there is a knock on. it is very in-effective.
We need to get players running from deep ASAP.
IMO the flat pass is a lazy way to play the game
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| Quote ="tugglesf78"One Thing that needs to stop is the Flat pass. it is a waste of time.
9 out of ten times the attacking player is still juggling the ball during impact with the defence. Either that or there is a knock on. it is very in-effective.
We need to get players running from deep ASAP.
IMO the flat pass is a lazy way to play the game'"
Look at the way the Aussies played right to left today all stood back their passing speed was un-real. We will never have that when all SL teams play the flat pass game. It bugs me they dont have any plan b we just start playing panic rugby.
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| Quote ="Toffee Warrior"Look at the way the Aussies played right to left today all stood back their passing speed was un-real. We will never have that when all SL teams play the flat pass game. It bugs me they dont have any plan b we just start playing panic rugby.'"
was allowed by a poor defensive line, dog legged and not taking their man created space.
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| Quote ="Toffee Warrior"Look at the way the Aussies played right to left today all stood back their passing speed was un-real. We will never have that when all SL teams play the flat pass game. It bugs me they dont have any plan b we just start playing panic rugby.'"
It could of been stopped had Smith and McGuire not been the worst defenders I have seen in 18 years of watching international RL!
Hudds have shown on a few occasions how to defends against it when they beat saints.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"It could of been stopped had Smith and McGuire not been the worst defenders I have seen in 18 years of watching international RL!
Hudds have shown on a few occasions how to defends against it when they beat saints.'"
Smith kept coming in and leaving gaps it was laughable.
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| Said it on the ground..........Burgess had to show himself to prove he could play NRL (as Ellis did last year). He was the only player imo that can hold his head high and say he beat the aussies
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| Quote ="pedro17"Smith kept coming in and leaving gaps it was laughable.'"
McGuire was just as bad but people have been blinded with how bad he was in attack
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| Quote ="pedro17"was allowed by a poor defensive line, dog legged and not taking their man created space.'"
I totally agree our line speed is slow and well not a line.
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| Quote ="Conroy"Said it on the ground..........Burgess had to show himself to prove he could play NRL (as Ellis did last year). He was the only player imo that can hold his head high and say he beat the aussies'" I don't agree he was the only one, there was a few, apart from in the first half!
We shouldn't forget we got a 40 minute thumping but the second half was one to be proud of.
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| Quote ="flyingkelvin"I don't agree he was the only one, there was a few, apart from in the first half!
We shouldn't forget we got a 40 minute thumping but the second half was one to be proud of.'"
Yes, because the Aussies really played the game in the 2nd half
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| Quote ="Conroy"Yes, because the Aussies really played the game in the 2nd half
'" Where did I say they did???
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"It could of been stopped had Smith and McGuire not been the worst defenders I have seen in 18 years of watching international RL!
Hudds have shown on a few occasions how to defends against it when they beat saints.'"
They just needed to hold there position and not run out the line. A friend of mine last week told me Sam wasn`t good enough for england because of the way he runs out of the line a Leeds fan would you believe.
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| Tomkins and Eastmond for 6 & 7 is excellent and Crabtree was IMo our best forward.
No doubt, knowing Smith as we do, he'll drop the three of them for next week.
We could well beat the Kiwis next week if that 2nd half performance can be repeated. Then the following week would bring another England V Australia clash.
Of the players to day who shouldn't play McGuire and Roby and the two most vulnerable but Smith will probably stick with them.
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| Quote ="flyingkelvin"Where did I say they did???'"
You didn't, i'm just saying that people are getting carried away with our 2nd half
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| Quote ="Conroy"You didn't, i'm just saying that people are getting carried away with our 2nd half'" Was it not encouraging? They could have quit in the dressing room at half time, they didn't!
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| Quote ="flyingkelvin"Was it not encouraging? They could have quit in the dressing room at half time, they didn't!'"
Again....I guess so.
My opinion of the game was that we lost it in the 1st half due to lack of forward power and played in the 2nd.
Sam might as well have sat with me the ball he got in the first half. If we want to play Sinfield at first man then give him the 7 jersey and play Westerman at 13. It looked as though Smith wanted to make him look biz.
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| Quote ="robbierotten".Billy Slater was on the recieving end a couple of times in the second half.'"
Good, he deserves it the tit.
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| Quote ="{Hogan}"Good, he deserves it the tit.'"
I love Billy
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| Quote ="pedro17"Smith kept coming in and leaving gaps it was laughable.'" At one point in the 2nd half, that whole side was open right from the middle of the field out to the wing. That would be unnaceptable in my Lads team, and he plays at U8's!
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| If I'm being honest I can't stand the little $hit but he's a very good player and IMO is best yougster from this country since I 1st saw a young KC.
What I liked about him today and nearly everytime I've seen him is he plays with no fear and gets stuck in and very good in defence for a thin guy.
He was my England man of match today and it's pitty few other players couldn't play with the same attitude as Sam today.
I think few years down the line tomkins and eastmond would give the convicts something to think about at 6 and 7.
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| Well done Sam, Ellis, Crabtree, Burgess did ok as well, but Maquire !
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| Sam was excellent today, I thought, especially in the second half when he really started taking on the line. I also thought Burgess, Graham, Crabtree, Sinfield, Eastmond and Westwood had good games.
I disagree with Conroy's cynical view about the second half. I don't think Australia took their foot off the gass or anything like that. Given their tonking of us in the world cup, if they'd have had opportunities to muller us they would have done, and gleefully. As it is they got all petulant and dropped some ball too. I think it was rather fortunate for them that we were so totally rubbish in the first half. Had we played in the first half like we did in the second, I think we might have won that game. It certainly would have gone to the wire anyway.
I liked what I saw in the second half, bar a couple of players who can't seem to get their act together (McGuire and my own dear Roby, who really does need to practise his passing, bless him). If we can take that level of energy, skill, inventiveness and determination - or even a greater level of all those - to the match next week then I think we could beat the Kiwis. So long as our forwards can handle their big guys!
I'm not saying we WILL beat the Kiwis, but I have more hope after today's match than I did after seeing England play the Kumuls last year!
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