Peter Fox was a great coach in his era.

Bringing in another ex-player would only bring the same problems with it. Bring in a sports science professional not somebody who decided to become a conditioner when he finished playing. This was the problem with Forshaw he had no pedigree.

No, BN has come out of this with Dignity, not IL, who just seems to make himself look a bigger idiot every time he opens his mouth.

What will todays daily leneghan gaffe be?

That is exactly what is going on here and if anyone has an issue with IL or is a great fan of BN they may well take the headline as the truth when in fact the Mirror made it up.

Dave

To be fair as you all know have praised Brian Noble for his efforts in taking Wigan "the club" in the right direction, and defended him.

But IL is correct if in his opinion some of the players are not fit enough the onus rests on the read coach. It maybe Forshaws job but it was nobles responsibility.

Noble has always stayed loyal to his players and staff, that maybe is to his own detriment.

It is the jobs for the boys mentality or surrounding themselves with poor support staff that i feel is what has contributed to many coaches downfall including Noble.

Speaking from experience I was working inside a club whose coach was nominated for coach of the year, got them in the playoffs and had a fantastic season, 2 of his support staff left including the conditioner and he brought in someone who was in my opinion a joke in that capacity, before the end of the next season he had gone from a top coach being banded about as a GB coach to unemployed, now back in the game in the National Leagues.

A coach must surround themselves with top quality staff. John Kear is the master at it.

In my opinion Maguire has to bring someone with him to condition the team someone he already knows of, and rates, anything else would be a major risk on his part, personally not convinced by Hampson either, were he not an ex Wigan player i doubt there would be any call for him.

We as a club have to get out of this jobs for the boys mentality, and to be fair it looks like we have.

That wouldnt by some chance be a former GB prop would it!!!!

To be fair to IL, he is correct.

The papers obviously put their own spin on things and wasn't it The Mirror who quoted IL at a fans forum last year and put the comment in completely the wrong context? Can't remember it exactly.

I don't like the idea that there has been some friction between IL and Noble but if there has then it's been done now and there's nothing we can do. IL did thank Noble, obviously, in the press release and he's been quoted in the papers as doing so. But there is simply no sentiment in business.

I could not possibly comment further!!

I never understand a jobs for the boys mentality. I have seen it in the places i have worked, and it has never ever been a success.

Now there is a difference in bringing good people with you, which happens in my field, but in a job where results count so much as they do in sports, why wouldnt you surround yourself with the people who can make you look good?

The old saying applies "a chain is only as strong as its weakest link", You can be a great coach technically and tactically spot on but if you make a poor judgement call on your support staff and recruit poorly all that ability could amount to nothing.

I would hope that with his already knowledge in the conditioning field that Maguire will bring in a real specialist, there is no point in him recruiting someone with a similar depth of knowledge to him, i would not be surprised to see him bring someone from a non rugby league background for this very reason, ie his own level of knowledge in this field.

The only problem with that though Jonh is if this conditioner is Antipodean how would he get a work permit / visa?

There did not seem to be a problem last year when Nathan Brown brought over a reserve team conditioner with him to head up the Huddersfield club with him.

I agree with what you've been saying jon, sports conditioning is so much more now than just getting people fit with them lifting weights and running distances there's a whole science behind it.

No disrespect to Forshaw and true I don't know his qualifications but it takes so much more than a former player pulling on the trainers vest and dictating what exercises are done to get players to there peak physical best.

The good thing for us is that McGuire's background is in this area, so this should be an aspect of the game that he realizes the importance of. If I were a betting man I like jon would imagine he'll bring someone over with him that he has previous experience with and has the utmost confidence in.

What drunken rantings were these?

isn't he a fitness coach, would be perfect to bring him back

We're not going through this again, are we, with you demanding proof all the time?

It occurred sometime during the last Four Nations, and was all over this forum for several days. Go and look for it.

Cant the coach be a fitness coach or the assistant ? It sounds like some coaches make up roles for their mates, that may be the problem.

And i fall on the side of Ian Leneghan, a Wigan fan as Wigan RL chairman. Everything i have heard him say seems to be exactly how he sees it no lies or beating about the bush. If he hadnt said what he feels he saw no one else would have.

He's clearly struggling to kick on from the pinnacle of his coaching career playing T&P with the Riversiders...

We have a squad of 25 and two or three are unfit.
That is the responsibility of the head coach and he appoints fitness coaches to take care of it.
However, the players themselves have to accept the main responsibility. If 22 out of 25 can get themselves fit and stay at that level then the others should do likewise.
Perhaps this is the season those unfit players will have to shape up or ship out!

Fitness is down to Mike Forshaw, he has to go, I have been saying it on here for so long, LTS should put it in his sig!

I know what you mean, but I think this is also down the head coach, if he see's players he thinks are unfit, then surely he has the power to make sure they are fit? As in setting them a regime and getting them to do 1 on 1's with forshaw etc. There are institutes you can send players to for fitness/injury recovery as well.

I won't be judging Forshaw until I see how the fitness is under Maguire personally.

My sig's about ready to burst if I put any more stuff in it.

I would be very surprised were Forshaw and Veivers with us next year if were gonna have a complete clean out then they need to have exactly that and not mess about. As silly as it sounds the hard work for next year starts real soon and if we wish to get off to a better start than are previous seasons this years pre season training is more important than ever.

Mike Forshaw has to take some of the responsability for this then as does Brian Noble.

But in fairness to Ian Lenagan I can't disagree with anything he says. It's true. We're not well conditioned and you can tell that from looking at one or two players at the club.

I wouldn't have said it in the media though I would have been a bit more private. But then again maybe he needs to 'ruffle a few feathers' and shake up a few players like Karl Pryce and Mark Riddell.