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| Quote ="Fishsta"Can you explain why you have a different opinion to most people?
I didn't see the ball change direction, it seemed to me Richards PLANNED to miss the ball. Otherwise he wouldn't have had his arms so wide apart.'"
The ball is coming down end first, it did all the way from the top of its flight. Richards went up for it and it grazed his arm at roughly the elbow/right forearm, it is only a slight contact, but the ball goes from being point down at that point to turn in the air and ends up landing on its side.
I think you are giving PR way too much credit to say he planned to miss it. Watch the flight of the ball, it is direct until it passes though his arms at which point it changes in flight.
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| Quote ="Fishsta"Can you explain why you have a different opinion to most people?
I didn't see the ball change direction, it seemed to me Richards PLANNED to miss the ball. Otherwise he wouldn't have had his arms so wide apart.'"
He Planned to miss it! Do you honestly actually believe anything that you write? Surely you cant.
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| Quote ="jonh"The ball is coming down end first, it did all the way from the top of its flight. Richards went up for it and it grazed his arm at roughly the elbow/right forearm, it is only a slight contact, but the ball goes from being point down at that point to turn in the air and ends up landing on its side.
I think you are giving PR way too much credit to say he planned to miss it. Watch the flight of the ball, it is direct until it passes though his arms at which point it changes in flight.'"
The ball already has a spin on it as it is coming down and continues that cycle until it hits the deck, Richards didnt touch it, the much more qualified officials took plenty of time and made the correct call.
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| Quote ="Babyface Finlayson"The ball already has a spin on it as it is coming down and continues that cycle until it hits the deck, Richards didnt touch it, the much more qualified officials took plenty of time and made the correct call.'"
I disagree.
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| Quote ="jonh"I disagree.'"
Fair enough mate it doesn't matter any more anyway, im just looking forward to a fit Fecka and a structured attack next year
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| Quote ="Babyface Finlayson"Fair enough mate it doesn't matter any more anyway, im just looking forward to a fit Fecka and a structured attack next year
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| Quote ="Fishsta"
I didn't see the ball change direction, it seemed to me Richards PLANNED to miss the ball. Otherwise he wouldn't have had his arms so wide apart.'"
So this was some elaborate move where jumpers pretend to jump for the ball and miss it, hence fooling everybody and allowing George to run in and collect the ball, that always bounces very uniformly, and is 100% predictable, so score under the sticks.
Absolute rubbish, He missed the ball, thats it. It was a poor attempt at a catch, and we where lucky he didn't touch it otherwise he wouldn't have scored. I think jonh has a point though, I think he most likely did touch the ball, but it didn't look like it on the screen.
Longs try was 50/50, but so was meli's that was ruled out from my first viewing (haven't got that far into the game 2nd time round, so haven't seen it) so we got one of the 2 50/50's.
Saying that I thought Saints where very lucky to win, I think we lost it more than they won. Carmont catches that offload by Joel (who I though played well tonight) and Pat most likely scores. Add that to Roberts being denied by some absolutly sublime scrambling defense, and then add that flick pass by Sam that, had Tommy, Phelps or Feka (I think) been able to pick up that would have also been a try.
I don't recall many unlucky Saints denied efforts tonight, I think we had the edge, but not the patience (story of this season anyone?)
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| Quote ="JLM23"He Planned to miss it! Do you honestly actually believe anything that you write? Surely you cant.'"
Like I said, his arms were quite wide apart, much wider than someone who has the intention of catching and securing a ball.
It was just a thought that occurred to me, and it's not beyond the realms of possibility. I don't claim to see into Richards' mind, but it struck me that it's a [ipossible[/i tactic. Miss the ball, let it bounce, decrease the chance of the opposition taking it and launching a counter-attack.
It's a feasible tactic, the same as kicking high near to the touchline, in the hope your opposite will catch the ball, and you'll hit them with the tackle straight into touch.
But as to whether that's what was intended, who knows? Richards' and/or his team-mates, that's about it.
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So this was some elaborate move where jumpers pretend to jump for the ball and miss it, hence fooling everybody and allowing George to run in and collect the ball, that always bounces very uniformly, and is 100% predictable, so score under the sticks.'"
See above.
Quote Absolute rubbish, He missed the ball, thats it. It was a poor attempt at a catch, and we where lucky he didn't touch it otherwise he wouldn't have scored. I think jonh has a point though, I think he most likely did touch the ball, but it didn't look like it on the screen.'"
He may well have missed the ball, but I think you have to accept there's a possibility it [icould[/i be a utilised tactic. The thing to remember is, if it didn't look like it was touched to the Video Ref (who has Full HD coverage to look at) then benefit of the doubt has to be ruled. Since the video ref didn't press the "BOTD" button, he must have been sure. (The same goes for Long's try, which I was amazed didn't have those 4 words tagged on)
Quote Longs try was 50/50, but so was meli's that was ruled out from my first viewing (haven't got that far into the game 2nd time round, so haven't seen it) so we got one of the 2 50/50's.'"
Trust me, there was no 50/50 in Meli's no-try. It took the video ref a while to spot his foot, though.
Quote Saying that I thought Saints where very lucky to win, I think we lost it more than they won. Carmont catches that offload by Joel (who I though played well tonight) and Pat most likely scores. Add that to Roberts being denied by some absolutly sublime scrambling defense, and then add that flick pass by Sam that, had Tommy, Phelps or Feka (I think) been able to pick up that would have also been a try.
I don't recall many unlucky Saints denied efforts tonight, I think we had the edge, but not the patience (story of this season anyone?)'"
Yes, we did have a lot of missed opportunities tonight, we played a lot better than them for most of the match, and with the momentum at the end, if it hadn't been for the lack of penalty forthcoming on the Long-Tomkins incident, I think we would have scored and forced Golden Point time. We could have seen a new world record for longest drop goal with that wind and Richards kicking it!
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| Quote ="Fishsta"Like I said, his arms were quite wide apart, much wider than someone who has the intention of catching and securing a ball.
It was just a thought that occurred to me, and it's not beyond the realms of possibility. I don't claim to see into Richards' mind, but it struck me that it's a [ipossible[/i tactic. Miss the ball, let it bounce, decrease the chance of the opposition taking it and launching a counter-attack.
It's a feasible tactic, the same as kicking high near to the touchline, in the hope your opposite will catch the ball, and you'll hit them with the tackle straight into touch.
But as to whether that's what was intended, who knows? Richards' and/or his team-mates, that's about it.
See above.
He may well have missed the ball, but I think you have to accept there's a possibility it [icould[/i be a utilised tactic. The thing to remember is, if it didn't look like it was touched to the Video Ref (who has Full HD coverage to look at) then benefit of the doubt has to be ruled. Since the video ref didn't press the "BOTD" button, he must have been sure. (The same goes for Long's try, which I was amazed didn't have those 4 words tagged on)
Trust me, there was no 50/50 in Meli's no-try. It took the video ref a while to spot his foot, though.
Yes, we did have a lot of missed opportunities tonight, we played a lot better than them for most of the match, and with the momentum at the end, if it hadn't been for the lack of penalty forthcoming on the Long-Tomkins incident, I think we would have scored and forced Golden Point time. We could have seen a new world record for longest drop goal with that wind and Richards kicking it!'"
To claim a miss catch, a basic dummy off a high ball i think is personally wrong and goes against everything you are ever coached.
Meli was a mile in touch for his disallowed try, his white boot was clearly in touch.
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| Quote ="Babyface Finlayson"The ball already has a spin on it as it is coming down and continues that cycle until it hits the deck, Richards didnt touch it, the much more qualified officials took plenty of time and made the correct call.'"
Fully agree and seen it in HD to boot.
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| Quote ="diesel"Fully agree and seen it in HD to boot.'"
Is HD worth buying ?
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| Only if you've got Sports AND Movies, in terms of value for money.
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| Quote ="moonlight flit"Is HD worth buying ?'"
Depends I got it cheap...but until more channels are in HD I'd wait but it's good.
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| Quote ="moonlight flit"Is HD worth buying ?'"
Yes, if only for the rugby. Great for sports, movies and the odd nature programme. Planet Earth was excellent.
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| Great game yesterday. As a neutral Richards [imight[/i have knocked-on, but there was no evidence he did from the replays. The Fa'asavalu attempted offload that was called as a strip was a poor decision and a real turning point. Long's try was fine though. All IMO, of course.
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| Quote ="Jonah.lfc"Hope all you who wanted ganson to ref are happy , he was a joke today'"
Can't agree with that, wanted him before the game, and still think he is the best ref by a mile.
On reflection the game could have gone either way, just a couple of little things made the difference, near the end when we were battering their line was it Joel took the wrong option at the play the ball, come inside we had numbers and we are under the posts.
But we did have some pride back in the shirt.
Do not think we lost because of Ganson at all, wish he would sort his mic out though, we had about 3 min hold up at a crucial time near the end, just let them ref the game.
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| Anybody else feel the posts, wind, and grass were like 3 extra players for Saints last night? They had some freaky luck with ball bounces
Still fair play, was a great game and I hope Saints can put on a big performance against Leeds.
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| I only have 3 words to say on this subject. CHEATING SCOUSE BARSTEWARD
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| Quote ="zx636"I only have 3 words to say on this subject. CHEATING SCOUSE nice bloke'"
Thats 4
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| Quote ="jonh"icon_lol.gif Thats 4
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| Quote ="zx636"was edited by mods'"
swear filter..........and rightfully so!
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| Quote ="Fishsta"It wasn't given as a penalty try because it was a try.
However, I did wonder why they were looking at it so much. Thought there was going to be an option for the 8 point try with Pryce kicking his legs out.'"
Me too, thought he deliberately went in with his feet, if he had hit him the ref might have given it.
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| Quote ="rover49"Me too, thought he deliberately went in with his feet, if he had hit him the ref might have given it.'"
He'll get nothing for that. His feet dig into the floor as he's sliding and flick out rather than him seriously trying to kick Richards head off.
Even if he did attempt a slide tackle, given Leulaui has never been pulled up for his many attempts it's obviously allowed these days
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"He'll get nothing for that. His feet dig into the floor as he's sliding and flick out rather than him seriously trying to kick Richards head off.
Even if he did attempt a slide tackle, given Leulaui has never been pulled up for his many attempts it's obviously allowed these days
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Nothing in it, however KFCs two indiscretions need to be addressed
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| Quote ="rover49"Me too, thought he deliberately went in with his feet, if he had hit him the ref might have given it.'"
Leon Pryce a dirty player always has been, always will be,FACT!!!
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