Simply Sam now, Edwards then. Like for like who can compare Edwards was a brilliant player in a brilliant team, Sam is just starting off in a average team.

Time will tell.

Looking forward to finding out though.

thing is mathers helped win us a trophy... gleeson, at best runners up to leeds in a very one sided final....good luck against saints

Foxtrot Oscar.

You can remember Wigan games from 1983?

remember some...believe it or not the odd games were shown on telly...

Yet you seem to think Les Boyd is God?


MWAAAHHHH. Lost every battle at Wigan he did.

The only comparison that matters is Sam Tomkins compared to Tim Smith. Sam is the better of those two and therefore improves the team from what it was when he came into the team.

Some people (particularly the media) will always look to compare a young player to someone who played their position with distinction in the past. Let them do it but don't let it bother you. I doubt it will bother Sam.

I would have said hindered you in your attempt at Winning one!



BTW, What a preformance from Mr Gleeson Tonight! Something only Mathers could dream of!

PS

You still don't remember Edwards 1st season do you?

prem semi final 1986...paul bishops 5 drop goals...remember thaaaaaaat one

wow

did he even play or had he been sent off again?

go on then just to please you NO

Even Blind Squirrells can find Nuts Now and again you know!

PS

Tell me again How Sean did in his 1st season? You seem to be the expert!

I thought Not, but thanks for confirming!

He clearly can't mate, I remember well.

I don't want to compare the two in terms of ability, as I don't think there's a direct comparison yet - when Edwards was 20 he was surrounded by some fantastic players.

In terms of impact on the team in their first season, then I think Sam has had more, but then again he's 20 in his first season Shaun wasn't.

Not quite so straight forward at all. One thing I do think they have in common though is their desire to win, and their frustration when mistakes are made.

Shaun at the hight of his powers was without a doubt a better player than Sam currently is, Shaun in his first season? ...... lets see Sam develop and then we might be able to make a more fair comparison.

well he did`nt lose every one then did he.....or was`nt you watching your great team then

load of $hite, Sam had played and started more games than Tim Smith even before Smiths injury. Bilko's site proves it.

did`nt he play at wembley..may be full back..correct me if im wrong

He played at Wembley when we lost against Widnes in the 1984 final, the one where Joe Lydon scored a bloody fantastic try for Widnes against us.

And it was at fullback because Steve Hampson was injured, something that would turn out to be a curse like re-occurrence for him.

just know he was a great player who was great at international level as well.....and played in many positions as well

Yep!

After Hampson got injured pre Wembley!

Couldn't get a game in front of Mark Cannon/Gary Stephens at that point.




And If I'm not mistaken that was a team out of it's depth that day just like your prediciting Wigan Will be out of theirs of they got to the GF!

Your Point is?

See my edit,

yes he was a fantastic player, captained England school boys in Union and League (from memory) and to be honest Sam's showing all the signs of becoming one as well. Obviously you can't compare the two directly till you've seen Sam develop throughout his career.

He was, but not in his 1st season.

Anyway, I'm sure you lot were part of the "Edwards, Most Overated Player Ever!" Brigade!

Changed your tune when it suits.

edwards 1st season at wigan you`ve ask god knows how many times....you could see he was going to be a good un..may be tomkins will but he will never be in the same league as edwards.....happy now

stop making things up...i liked edwards.

Yeah Widnes far outclassed us that day, was great when Joe came home two seasons later. The Shaun that you're comparing to les, started to come into his own in the 86/87 season when we signed Andy Gregory, and Hanley was absolutely magical.