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| Quote ="Wollagong Way"I'm not familiar with the case and i'm only making this judgement / comment on what i have read, but i am suprised that you would want such an indiviudal in and around your club still!
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I'd rather have Hock than someone prone to assault charges e.g. Feka, Leon Pryce, Stuart Reardon, or indeed Hock rather than someone who punches people in the face and fractures their eye socket.
Frankly, I wish the zero-tolerance policy applied to drugs applied to other off-field (and on-field for that matter) incidents.
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| The point to all of this at the end of the day is that he has been given a 2 year ban as his punishment. Once he has done this he is as clean and innocent as the next man.
It is the same as Chambers, like him or loath him, he got caught and was given 2 years for it, he served the 2 years. Now whether you agree with 2 years or think it should be 10 or life is not Dwains fault.
He got the punishment and served it so thew slate is wiped clean, unless you are a past it commentator or camp hurdler in which case he should get more punishment.
Don't have a go at the guy who has served his time blame those that punish.
Gaz does 2 years and provided during this time he is clean then good luck to him, and for that matter i hope Wigan
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| Quote ="Cruncher"I think you'd be surprised how many people who've been convicted of relatively minor offences still participate in the day-to-day life of the nation, without anyone really objecting.
I'm not a liberal when it comes to crime and punishment, but I'm baffled by this notion that Gareth Hock should not only be banned from playing for two years, but should also be reviled, cast out, marginalised, separated from his livelihood for the rest of his days, abhorred, exiled, treated like a leper, call it what you will. Why not go the whole hog and have him flogged, hobbled and branded as well so that, from now on, everyone will know he's an outsider and demand that he be forced to live on the fringe of society?
I can only assume that Gareth Hock being a Wigan player has clouded the thinking of several who've posted on here regarding this matter.'"
No-one is suggesting that Hock be, "reviled, cast out, marginalised, separated from his livelihood for the rest of his days, abhorred, exiled, treated like a leper." However he has had his opportunity at Wigan and blown it. He should be shown the door at Wigan and have to pick up the pieces of his career at another club. Also he should never play rep rugby again.
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| Quote ="Batesy"Just a thought, but does anyone know what happens now?
Does he get tested periodically to make sure he is clean, or is he just cut loose and then will go back to the normal testing routine if he returns to the field?'"
I think so, and we will find out in the next 10 days what IL/the club want to do. Though Im suprised a statement isn't ready to just box off the issue as soon as possible. Unless there is some disagreement somewhere along the line in regard to what Hock can/wants to do.
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| Quote ="Doveoverdave"No-one is suggesting that Hock be, "reviled, cast out, marginalised, separated from his livelihood for the rest of his days, abhorred, exiled, treated like a leper." However he has had his opportunity at Wigan and blown it. He should be shown the door at Wigan and have to pick up the pieces of his career at another club. Also he should never play rep rugby again.'"
Are you ill?
So anyone who makes a mistake and gets punished and serves the punishment correctly should then have their lives ruined as well afterwards.
Do you think people who get banned for speeding should never drive again or shop lifters have their hands cut off?
Pass this man the black cap theres some flogging to be done.
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| Quote ="Doveoverdave"No-one is suggesting that Hock be, "reviled, cast out, marginalised, separated from his livelihood for the rest of his days, abhorred, exiled, treated like a leper." However he has had his opportunity at Wigan and blown it. He should be shown the door at Wigan and have to pick up the pieces of his career at another club. Also he should never play rep rugby again.'" Who are the club punishing then though?
After his ban Hock will inevitably be able to find another club willing to sign him so Wigan have 2 choices - they stand by him and IF he can prove he can stay clean they sign him again at the end of the 2 years, or they let him go and risk him coming back in 2 years and signing for another club and performing well for them.
What you are suggesting it wouldn't be Hock who lost out.
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| Terminate his contract and get rid, Use him as an example for the younger players, what example are we setting if after his ban is up he come back with open arms? IMO it gives Wigan RL a bad reputation as well as a bad example for the youth.
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| Quote ="Warrior21"Terminate his contract and get rid, Use him as an example for the younger players, what example are we setting if after his ban is up he come back with open arms? IMO it gives Wigan RL a bad reputation as well as a bad example for the youth.'"
The example would be that he's been punished and banned for two years. He's lost a huge amount of money, respect from a lot of his peers, the RL 'family' and the fans. He'd have paid the price for his mistake.
Yes, I'm sure he'll wish he never did it, but there has to be a point where you get a second chance?
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| Quote ="Smooth Stu"The example would be that he's been punished and banned for two years. He's lost a huge amount of money, respect from a lot of his peers, the RL 'family' and the fans. He'd have paid the price for his mistake.
Yes, I'm sure he'll wish he never did it, but there has to be a point where you get a second chance?'"
Agreed, he can only do the punishment he has been given, if people think it is not enough then have a word with those who set it not Gaz.
Once he has done this then he is eligable to play like anyone else.
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| Quote ="Warrior21"Terminate his contract and get rid, Use him as an example for the younger players, what example are we setting if after his ban is up he come back with open arms? IMO it gives Wigan RL a bad reputation as well as a bad example for the youth.'"
You like the governing bodies are getting carried away.
Gaz Hock took some none performance enhancing drugs.... whoopie friggin doo. 2 year ban is way over the top. Yes he was out of order and yes some punishment but not the public hanging wished for on here.
Other big named players have done worse... kick a door down and assault the occupant ~ no punishment from RL, 3 times over the drink drive limit putting lives at risk ( 3 big name stars ?) ~ no punishment from RL even the Refferee recently accused and cautioned with spot fine for drunken behaviour ~ no punishment by RL.
We are being governed by outdated laws with punishments and consequences often not fitting the crimes.
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| So you think taking concain is acceptable? Get a grip mate. No wonder the country is how it is with people like you making excuses for a drug addict your a joke.
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| warrior21 wind your neck in have you heard your self talking sh@t hes been given his punishment end of , good look gaz hock hope I see you in a wigan shirt again ,
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| Quote ="Warrior21"So you think taking concain is acceptable? Get a grip mate. No wonder the country is how it is with people like you making excuses for a drug addict your a joke.'" Did you miss where he said "Yes he was out of order and yes some punishment but not the public hanging wished for on here"
I don't agree with his views overall and think the ban is fair, and of course he knew all along what the consequences if he was caught are but your post is a joke I haven't see any signs of anyone saying what he has done is acceptable, or making any excuses for him. Perhaps some aren't being as judgemental as you would like but personally I think that is a good thing.
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| i keep reading in the papers that gareth hock is a drug cheat,this cannot be true because it wasn`t an enhancing drug
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| Quote ="falcon"i keep reading in the papers that gareth hock is a drug cheat,this cannot be true because it wasn`t an enhancing drug'"
I keep reading in the papers too about Kerry Katona's hubbie Mark being a love cheat, this cant be true as marriage isnt a competiition, so you cant cheat.
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| Quote ="falcon"i keep reading in the papers that gareth hock is a drug cheat,this cannot be true because it wasn`t an enhancing drug'"
I don't think he's been called a 'cheat' by anyone other than fans of other clubs.
If he has, they're in the wrong - for the reason you mention.
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| Good luck gaz? Good look for what? Wind my neck in? Last time a
looked this was a discussion forum mate.
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| Quote ="Warrior21"Good luck gaz? Good look for what? Wind my neck in? Last time a
looked this was a discussion forum mate.'"
yes an we are all discussing it but you dont like what other ppl are saying
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| Oh right I didn't no you couldn't disagree with people on a forum.
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| Quote ="Warrior21"Good luck gaz? Good look for what? '" Good luck for the battle he has ahead to turn his life around if he wants any sort of career at the end of the two years.
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| 6 days later and still nothing on the official Warriors site, yet I'm sure they said in June that they would not make a statement until any investigation was concluded, which it now has.
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Quote ="martinbuckley"6 days later and still nothing on the official Warriors site, yet I'm sure they said in June that they would not make a statement until any investigation was concluded, which it now has.'"
Statement expected by end of this week.
www.wigantoday.net/warriors/Hock ... 5593517.jp
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Statement expected by end of this week.
www.wigantoday.net/warriors/Hock ... 5593517.jp
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| Should have been sacked simple as. Doesn't send out the correct message to youngsters that look up to these players.
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| Quote ="Geordie"Should have been sacked simple as. Doesn't send out the correct message to youngsters that look up to these players.'"
Like Bridge and Harrison.
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| Quote ="Geordie"Should have been sacked simple as. Doesn't send out the correct message to youngsters that look up to these players.'"
In effect he's been sacked.
Wigan RL can no longer employ him. If they help him find a job elsewhere, that's up them - but I'm pretty sure there's no way that he can remain a direct employee of Wigan RL for the duration of his ban.
If what you really mean is that, as well as losing his career in his mid-20s, he should also be held up for public ridicule and humiliation, then you're entitled to your view but don't expect many to take you seriously.
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