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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"This is undoubtedly going to be an arguable point but in my personal opinion Tommy is one of the fundamental problems at Wigan.
Yes we have issues with Fielden (and Feka highlighted yesterday) but for me Tommy is a big issue.
Yes he is a good RL player, he scores and puts himself about in defense, but he isn't a 7. He lacks the ability to create with ball in hand. He often doesn't form a partnership with Sam and often fails to get the ball out wide to the attacking backs. He doesn't control the flow of the game or organise the team in attack as a good 7 will.
It's a difficult situation, he is a top player and offers alot on the field just not as a controlling 7. From here we often look flat in attack and void of ideas.
In our backs with have 2 quality centres, but they need to be shown a gap by a ball playing 7, give Carmont or Gleeson half a chance and they'll do the rest.
I wouldn't raise this point other than I believe with a true ball playing organising 7 we would look a very different team. We have great backs, an abundance of young promising forwards and a top quality 6, we now just need that right player to lead the team in attack.
For me yesterday Sam looked tired from trying to create on his own with Tommy not stepping up. Lockers looked more dangerous with ball in hand than Tommy did all game.'"
I totally agree. In broken field and against a tired defence Tommy is awesome. However, running set plays and kicking he is well down the table in terms of Super League scrum halves. Cut Riddell and bring in a stand-off to let Sam play 7 with Tommy and Micky Mc as hookers.
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| Quote ="Rilo"I totally agree. In broken field and against a tired defence Tommy is awesome. However, running set plays and kicking he is well down the table in terms of Super League scrum halves. Cut Riddell and bring in a stand-off to let Sam play 7 with Tommy and Micky Mc as hookers.'"
In reality Riddell is a Wigan player on a contract, can't just end his contract. If he was to be dropped moving Tommy to 9 we then would have to accomadate a new 7 within our CAP, something that IL has stated he'll not be doing.
I'm all for giving promising young Wigan players new contracts developing a more well balanced squad, but the right signing is needed to improve the team.
I fail to see postive improvement for next season with Tommy at 7. At times we look great but I believe we just don't that little bit extra at 7 we'll need to become champs.
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| Yeah fair enough, just being hypothetical. I'm just tired of Piggy doing jaff all and us not having a proper kicking game.
I never think any player needs longer than a 1 year deal, keeps them keen if nothing else. I know from an admin point of view it'd be a pain, but it'd keep the players keen.
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| Quote ="Rilo"Yeah fair enough, just being hypothetical. I'm just tired of Piggy doing jaff all and us not having a proper kicking game.
I never think any player needs longer than a 1 year deal, keeps them keen if nothing else. I know from an admin point of view it'd be a pain, but it'd keep the players keen.'"
I agree, in theory that would be better, but thats another issue. Many on here seem to like Riddell, in my opinion he has improved but he's still not a top 9, and defo not worth shipping over all the way from Aus.
In my opinion he's behind
Moore
Cunningham
Drew
Clarke
Diskin
Roby
Glen M
to name a few. I personally don't blame IL, at the time the Tommy at 9 concept was none heard of (pre WC) and Higham wasn't cutting it, so it made sense to bring in a 9.
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| could it be that the problem with tommy at the moment is that the constant switching between positions is reducing his performance at both? maybe he would go better if we actually played him in one position only during a game?
mind you that means noble might have to drop a chosen one and play one of the reserves
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"I agree, in theory that would be better, but thats another issue. Many on here seem to like Riddell, in my opinion he has improved but he's still not a top 9, and defo not worth shipping over all the way from Aus.
In my opinion he's behind
Moore
Cunningham
Drew
Clarke
Diskin
Roby
Glen M
to name a few. I personally don't blame IL, at the time the Tommy at 9 concept was none heard of (pre WC) and Higham wasn't cutting it, so it made sense to bring in a 9.'"
Monas is better than nearly all of them.
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| Quote ="Briers"Monas is better than nearly all of them.'"
Aaaaaaahahahhahahahhaha
Oh god here we go, Wire make a final and suddenly their players are the best in the league
You all wanted rid of him at the start of the year now hes better than most in the league?
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| Quote ="Mother Feka"Aaaaaaahahahhahahahhaha
Oh god here we go, Wire make a final and suddenly their players are the best in the league
You all wanted rid of him at the start of the year now hes better than most in the league?
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Nothing to do with that, he's been great at hooker, at halfback but great at hooker, you should know that more than most as he tore you a new 'hole saturday.
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| The thing is that I told them that they had one of the beast hookers in the game in Monaghan and that Higham was a waste of their salary cap, and that they would be better off signing another halfback to play alongside Briers, leaving Monaghan and Clarke as hookers.
I wish they had sent Monaghan back to Aus and kept Higham playing.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"The thing is that I told them that they had one of the beast hookers in the game in Monaghan and that Higham was a waste of their salary cap, and that they would be better off signing another halfback to play alongside Briers, leaving Monaghan and Clarke as hookers.
I wish they had sent Monaghan back to Aus and kept Higham playing.'" Also told us Karl Pryce was a good buy.
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| The whole discussion of who to drop if a new HB was brought in emphasises the issue with what to do with Tommy at 7.
I personally would have brought in a new 7, and rotated Tommy/Riddell/McC over the 9 interchange with 1 of the 3 missing out each week.
I hope that when Fielden's contract is up we use some of the available cap to bring in a quality 7.
We'll not win anything with Tommy at 7
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