He will go when Noble does.

I can see what your trying to say but to me it seems like the same old Wigan fans. When we lose blame the coach.

The problem here is the moment Feka and Fielden came on i would place a bet that almost every Wigan fan expected them to take the game to Warrington and build on the foundations that Prescott and Coley had laid. I bet not many Wigan fans disagreed with Nobles substitutions at the time they happened. It was not Nobles fault that both F+F were both awful yet it is so easy to sit here now and say its all Nobles fault for making the wrong substitutions.

RJH Feka and Fielden should not have been on the field at that stage, obviously they have to come on but only when Prescott and Coley showed signs of dropping off the pace, which they did not. The momentum was fully with us and Morley and co were coming off second best, why change it because the clock says we should, let them continue and introduce the bench when needed not when the stop watch says you should.

Shocking tactic and indefensable in my opinion.

Thought so, and so he should.

I call it as I see it to be honest, and all too often Noble is at fault in these type of performances.



Not really. Fielden hasn't taken the game to anyone in God knows how long, and as I've said, it was utter stupidity to bring Feka on when we're about to kick off to the opposition other wise there's a chance, as was the case today, that he'd be knackered by the time we finally saw any of the ball.

Now it's not Noble's fault that Feka is in the awful state of fitness (or rather lack of it) he is but it's up to Noble to give him the best chance of being effective as possible, and today Noble did not do that.



I disagreed with the substitutions at the time for the above reasons, plus that fact neither Prescott nor Coley looked to be struggling at the time.

But again this is with hindsight, the same as Leeds dropped right off against us when they took buderus off the field.

In both cases, at the time the coach thought they were doing the right thing.

Bad tactics by Noble today.

O'Loughlin and Bailey were clearly not match fit and the deciison to bring on Feka and Fielden at the same time was barmy.

But our point is that the coach should know better, seeing as half the fans do.

Who says they should not of been on the field? Are you saying no coach ever brings fresh props on after around 20 mins? Had they come on and then destroyed Wire i very much doubt you would be praising Noble for bringing them on. Instead youve done the usual thing and took a cheap swipe at Noble. Bringing F + F on at that time has many times in the past got us on the front foot. The idea was they would improve on what we had already done with Coley and Prescott.

Dont let the fact that Bailey went off injured around the same time cloud your judgement that maybe that also had an effect on the team as a whole.

i think you will find most fans don't agree with nobles by the clock subbing, why when we are kicking to wire would you send feka on!? why not wait till they have had their six?.
this was a major cock up by noble.......... again

Half the fans do with hindsight, if it had gone the other way (and quite easily could have) then how many people would put their hands up and say "I thought noble did the wrong thing to bring them on, but it worked out well"

Give over.

Can you honestly say you disagreed with F + F coming on at the time?

It didn't go the other way though did it? And to be honest, it's no surprise it didn't for the reasons I have given.



Yup. For the reasons I've already stated, bringing Fielden and Feka on at the time he did was an obvious mistake.

It was just totally unnecessary at the time of the substitutions.

I did, we were giving Wire the ball at the time as well. RHJ were Prescott and Coley in anyway not winning the battle with there opposite numbers?

Did they look fatigued?

Did we lose all momentum when they were taken off.

Its all well and good saying what if they had torn it up and taken us on, but the fact is they did not. They should not have been brought on the field at that time. Every man and his dog could see that.

Bailey and more importantly Riddell going off did hurt us, but not as much as allowing Wire back into the game with a very poor tactical call.

You may not like it RHJ but again today highlighted BN has reached his level he has stabilised the club, but he is in no way the man to take us forward, he has had so many chances now and failed on every occasion.

Its not a swipe at the coach, it presenting a fact on the events of the game.

You might as well talk to a brick wall.

If the truth be know i bet most of these lot where rubbing their hands when Feka came on expecting him to make a big impact.

And we might as well talk to a brick wall when highlighting Noble's failings as coach of Wigan RL.

Maybe you were but again many were not, don't judge others by you wrong calls and as it turns out BN's. We had everything in our favour when our starting Props were on the field there was no reason to change them, they did not look tired yet we did, and that effectivly cost us the game.

I am unsure how you can deffend the error made by Noble or try to justify it on the evidence of the game we have just seen? You can speculate on what if Feka and Fielden had done this that and the other but the FACT is it was a wrong call and cost us the momentum, the fact is also others maybe not you recognised the time was also not right to change things, you did not fair enough but all we can say is it did indeed cost us.

There is no fact in your post other than you 'think' that 'maybe' if F+F had not come on at that point we 'might' of won.

Plenty mights and maybes Jonh.

Of course it is easy to look back in hindsight and say if only we had not changed things at that point what might of happened. The problem is,Noble changed things for a reason. That reason was he thought F+F could further get on top of the opposition and we could really put some points on them before half time and truth be known i expected Feka to have a blinder today. Bringing F+F on at that stage has worked for the past month or 2 so why wouldnt it work today?

Its far too easy to try to be 'wise after the event' which your orignal post seems to be.

But your not highlighting any failings your simply trying to be wise after the event and doing what was always going to happen if we lost this game and thats blame Noble.

But the reason for that is Noble has proved he is unable to adapt his tactics part way through a match, and despite having numerous opportunities, it has only become apparent he can take us no further.

Whether or not you could see it, the timing of the substitution today cost us the match, and Noble should have realised his timing was out.

I feel you're missing it tbh, it's not so much the timing as the actual performance put in by the two substitutes. If they'd played a blinder we would have kicked on regardless of the timing.

No it's definately you who's missing the point here.

The timing of the substitution gave Feka sod all chance of 'playing a blinder'.

He was f*cked before he'd even had a touch of the ball.

At the moment of the substitution were we struggling? No.

Did either Coley or Prescott look like they needed a break? No.

Did we lose the match in the 20 minutes following the substitution? Yes.

Nail on the head which i have been trying to get across all along.

The individual performances from Fielden and Feka were what cost us and add to that Roberts inability to defend the high ball against Matt King.

He would have to defend at some point in the game. Are you trying to say if he had come on whilst we had the ball he would not have to do any defensive work? Maybe not for a few sets but eventually Wire would of got the ball and done the exact same thing to him.