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| It looks like my theory that everything's being planned for the 2011 season is coming true, just look at the things divulged about the Noble situation tonight as well as the fact that no players are coming in for next year, I just hope that what ever he has planned for 2011 is worth it.
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| Personally I'm happy. News that we won't be signing any over-inflated Australians this year is good news. Most of them are over-hyped in the whole league not just at Wigan. We should stick to kiwis!
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"Would like to know why were looking at a loss of 150k this year'"
Presumably he is talking about the year to 30.11.08. Given we made a £685k loss in the year to 30.11.07 (per the accounts filed at Co's House) its not as bad as it seems. Would indicate we are improving on the financial front.
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| Quote ="WarriorSteve"I think its fair to say that some of the comments on the other websites are based on comments made without being there themselves... I think we are still suffering with the salary cap with Feka's and Fielden's wages.. it is a difficult time at present with currency rates to be able to attract the top stars as before they may have wanted £250,000 were now they £350-400,000 which means that we cannot afford them... Lenegan has said that all the players that he has been looking at... are either crook, coming over for the wrong reasons, wrong age, mickey heads etc and he wasnt prepared to let 3-4 wigan lads with potential to leave to get one of these mercenaries... it does look as though we are going with the same squad next year.. and like IL said once both feka and fieldens wages are addressed we can maybe make some better moves... carmont will be here next year, as IL thinks he has 1 or maybe two years in him..
We were in the market for Brett finch.. but he wanted massive money and with Sam T coming on so well, it was a priority anymore... which is one of the reasons behind retaining phelps and coley and bailey aswell(assuming he signs).'"
didnt Feka sign a new deal last year?
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"Would like to know why were looking at a loss of 150k this year'"
IL stated that the Gleeson transfer fee was a factor in that, also the loss of shirt sales due to the sponsor being late and the pre-Christmas market not being available, another factor is the economic climate which obviously is the same for every club in Super League.
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"Would like to know why were looking at a loss of 150k this year'"
Economic Climate.
The signing of Gleeson.
The late signing of Mecca on the shirt (quoted we normally shift approx 16K shirts, but have only managed 50% of that).
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| Quote ="Tricky Dicky"What was the question that caused him to lose his rag'"
I cant remeber to be honest... I think it was about signings or lack of... but the guy wouldnt let lenegan explain and he got mighty p*ssed and turned round to him and said ( will you let me answer the question!!!) worth the £2 alone
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| Quote ="Bilko"Personally I'm happy. News that we won't be signing any over-inflated Australians this year is good news. Most of them are over-hyped in the whole league not just at Wigan. We should stick to kiwis!'"
IL is intending on sticking with wiganers, not Aussies or Kiwi's
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"Would like to know why were looking at a loss of 150k this year'"
a couple of reasons mentioned were lower merchendise sales due to it coming out late (8,000 replica shirts sold compared to 16,000 last year) and also the transfer fee for gleeson. it was mentioned however that should the team reach the challenge cup final, the loss could very well become a profit as the cup final is estimated to be worth £250,000
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Sounds like tonights been a big pile of e, no startling revelations, nothing announced on the player or coaching front and generally nothing of interest, glad I didn't attend.'"
Yeah but just think ... if you'd been there, you could have asked something of interest.
Sorry to be blunt, but people who don't attend and then express annoyance don't impress me at all.
Don't leave it to other people to ask the questions that YOU want answering.
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| Did anybody ask about the scouting system?
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| Quote ="WarriorSteve"I think its fair to say that some of the comments on the other websites are based on comments made without being there themselves... I think we are still suffering with the salary cap with Feka's and Fielden's wages.. it is a difficult time at present with currency rates to be able to attract the top stars as before they may have wanted £250,000 were now they £350-400,000 which means that we cannot afford them... Lenegan has said that all the players that he has been looking at... are either crook, coming over for the wrong reasons, wrong age, mickey heads etc and he wasnt prepared to let 3-4 wigan lads with potential to leave to get one of these mercenaries... it does look as though we are going with the same squad next year.. and like IL said once both feka and fieldens wages are addressed we can maybe make some better moves... carmont will be here next year, as IL thinks he has 1 or maybe two years in him..
We were in the market for Brett finch.. but he wanted massive money and with Sam T coming on so well, it was a priority anymore... which is one of the reasons behind retaining phelps and coley and bailey aswell(assuming he signs).'"
Feka ??
IL was the one who gave him a new contract so i cant see him being a reason for having no salary cap
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"Would like to know why were looking at a loss of 150k this year'"
Could it be that the great DW is still siphoning money out the club
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| Quote ="Tricky Dicky"IL is intending on sticking with wiganers, not Aussies or Kiwi's'"
Good. We need to mould import signings round the academy products not the other way round.
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| Quote ="Tricky Dicky"What was the question that caused him to lose his rag'"
The man asking the question seemed to have misunderstood what IL was saying. He talked about not being able to afford signing players. And IL said it was not about affording, it was about constraints of the salary cap and unrealistic player and club demands for transfer fees etc.
One fan compared signing an Australian who was coming to the end of his career who was possibly susceptible to injury and then paying a large fee for him as like paying £40,000 for a Ford Fiesta.
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| Just for the record the Gleeson transfer fee (in total) won't affect the profit apart from the depreciation charge (usually over the term of the contract). So say 2 year contract to keep it simple; £50k would hit the p & l this year and £50k next year.
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| Quote ="Woody_woody"What right did he have to lose his rag then? He can't deny it. What was his reply?'"
I think it was how the question was asked and that the guy who aked it (who by the way sponsers pat richards) told him he had contridited himself. IL,s reply was somthing like let me finish, i,ve told you we cant afford to pay what they want and re-sign our young players.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Yeah but just think ... if you'd been there, you could have asked something of interest.
Sorry to be blunt, but people who don't attend and then express annoyance don't impress me at all.
Don't leave it to other people to ask the questions that YOU want answering.'"
It's already been said that Lenegan only answers the questions he wants to, plus it's not the questions that were asked I have problem with it's the fact that the answers given are nothing new that we haven't already heard before.
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| I guess he wont bother sponsering Pat Richards anymore!
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| Quote ="MattyB"
The late signing of Mecca on the shirt (quoted we normally shift approx 16K shirts, but have only managed 50% of that).'"
So it was Pemps fault and that Pirtek balls up.
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| For me the most damning question of the night was the lady from Chorley Panthers ARLFC. They have 200 kids playing regular RL, Saints have been scouting there for seasons, picking up Matty Ashurst and a couple of other known names along the way.
Wigan Warriors Scouting Representatives have never visited once....!!!!!!
As previously thought, 90% of the club's time and efforts are scouting at St Patricks ARLFC. If you don't play there there's a good chance they don't wanna know....Its been going on for years!
Hopefully the wheels of change are turning though, lets bloody hope so!
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| And there was us under the impression that now we weren't confined into a deal with shirts with JJB that even with lower sales we'd make more money...
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"Feka ??
IL was the one who gave him a new contract so i cant see him being a reason for having no salary cap'"
I don't know... but they were the ones who he mentioned were off contract next year.. with the indication that we would have money available...
Mark Flanagan is going to aussie next year... and maybe linking with our "sister" club... as he wants to go over there for 1-2 years and we then would have the option (if he wanted) to come back to wigan.
IL interated the point viamently that " Wigan is a club that is focussing on bringing the youngsters through" and that foreign signings are the exception not the rule.
IL also said that the wigan scouting system needs and will improve to reach cumbria, RU players and be alot better that it is now..
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"So it was Pemps fault and that Pirtek balls up.'"
That's the one. Blame him!!
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