I didn't need to guess who would be the 1st to try & get at Riddell/Roberts etc either DaveO



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This another thread where someone stands up to you & you disappear????

Oh and BTW! One good run I read somewhere is a selective Paraphrasing to say the least!

I have only looked this evening and found 3 or 4 claiming that Riddell going off & McCollorum coming on actually changed the game against us, a bit like last week if you ask me!

He was Very Good last week and Pretty good again this week, McCollorum on the hand was Poor last week and poor this week.
Does that not fit in with the agenda???

As for Roberts, I don't feel he was Singularly responsible for any of the tries yesterday, I was slightly disappointed he didn't hang on to the centre who made the break but coming 15 yards in off your wing whilst your 6 stands there and makes "No Effort" is far from being responsible for the try!

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As for McCollorum & Ainscough I don't get into "Bagging" them as I don't believe it's in anyones interest to do so (I think if you checkl any of my posts you will not find any Critical comments about either) just that I don't believe they are as good ATM as Riddell and Roberts.

Refering to the point the bottom for a good reason is unfair
they played well against leeds,saint
then went on to pick up a hell on a injury list yesterday im told aprt from 1 player that is the CC first choice squad and if they dont pick up anymore injuries i think it wont be the only 2 games they win
and before anyone has a go im a union guy who has watched them most home games and to be fair when they had 70% first team players out injuiered they where crap what now the almost back to full strength they can only get better

Same here. Spot on really, if anything I was more pro Noble than anything. Over three years, everything has changed, except Noble, we have new owners and new players, yet the same inconsistancy and lack of passion agianst so called lower clubs. Noble is the constant in all of that.

Go on, answer the points raised.



Which thread?

Dave

A couple of weeks ago you went off on the Roberts/Anscough debate, CBA looking but will do if you want proof!
You asked me 5 times on the same post for the same thing! I answered all the questions on why I thought Roberts ATM is a better choice than Ainscough and then guess what? Nothing!

I suppose if you ignore threads that go against your way of thinking then they go away eh????
If you continually post the same arguments then they must be true as well!

Regardless of all your positive comments towards the Celtic side, they possibly played the best they can. But it was still a NL1 standard performance from them.

Wigan should have had NO problems beating them and beating them with ease.

That dropped pass by Feka was abysmal. And he looks even more enormous. Someone at the club has to take of grip of his fitness or ship him out.

Correct. I didn't go yesterday but I passed comment on him at the Salford game. His condition is nothing short of appalling and is an indictment of not just himself but the club too.

Before the dropped ball, Feka was playing very well.

I don't care Alex. He needs to be disciplined for letting himself go in the way he has. If he played well yesterday, how good could he be? Let's face it, he is light years away from earning another Kiwi cap.

But I don't see how ''he has let himself go''.

He was on the field no less and played no worse than usual. In fact, he was one of our better players.

He and Coley were our only players making decent yards. The only direct criticism he derserves is for the knock on.

Don't you think he looks way out of condition? I certainly do, and think he needs to shift some serious weight. As a full time professional athlete I expect to see a different body shape to that on display at the moment. He may have made good yards against the worst team in the entire history of Superleague, but he is surely capable of performing better if his physical condition improves.

Also, it gives me cause to speculate about our training regime and to wonder just what our players are allowed to get away with. Allowing him to take the field with a 40" gut and a pair of shorts bigger than my table cloth ain't good enough for me, I'm afraid.

I was at the game on Saturday and it seemed to me that it was the same old story. Absolutely no sign of a kicking game, Tim Smith's defence was dreadful, Stuart Fielden is so far past his sell by date that he stinks and no passion! IMHO Noble should sort out which of the players is staying next season and the ones who aren't should be put in the reserves. That should give a chance to all the hungry young Wigan lads who really care for the club. We have nothing to lose either way as I feel that Warrington will stuff us in the Challenge Cup even if make a 100% improvement on Saturday's dire showing.

cant be that crap they beat the mighty wigan rlfc

says a lot for ur own team if they are nl1 standard why dont u just give celtic the credit they deserve u dont have a god given right to win every game

They weren't crap on Saturday were they? They just used very simple tactics and they basically kicked us to death! We seemed to start every set on our own 10-20 yard line. They didn't slow the play down any more than we do when playing the likes of Leeds etc and you can't even blame Ganson!

Feka's size and physical appearance is irrelevant providing he does what is expected from him. He size and weight is what creates impact, yards, attracts defenders and keeps him standing for enough time to produce an offload. If he loses size and weight he will not be as effective in this role.

IMO, Feka is doing his job with the tools best suited to him. There is no point in moulding him into a style of prop that he isn't built to be. I think the question is; Is Feka the style of player that we want within the squad?

Personally, I think we do.

I'm glad I'm not the only who thinks he's fine as he is. He works hard on his fitness and responds to whatever criticism people decide to throw at him because he doesn't look like LMS. He's an impact prop who does a job for us. Just because he isn't Morley or Peacock doesn't give us the right to try and change him.

Feka's size and shape sends a message to all current and prospective players about the level of professionalism demanded by the club.

So his performances mean nothing?

If his size and shape was such a negative issue than I'd doubt he'd be one of, if not the most popular player at the club.

Players coming through the ranks aren't naive nor thick enough not to understand Feka, his physique and the fact his presence within the first team largely (excuse the pun) down to his physical size.

Come on get real!! Feka's size and fitness has very little to do with what is going on at Wigan. He has been one of our best players and consistently makes an impact when he comes on.

The message it sends out is that you need to be the size, shape and level of fitness to make the greatest impact on the field.

If you were going to bag any of the props then it has to be Fielden - and that has been done to death.

It's strange how Saints fans have a go at the size of Feka, and conveniently forget how big Barry Ward was, and how much of a hero he was to many Saints fans.

Feka is 10 times the player Ward ever was.

Sorry but for once I agree with Mugwump

(Despite the signature to his posts - "Celtic Nobodies" is an offensive way to describe a new team in SL and speaks volumes of the attitude of Saints fans these days...)

Feka is grossly overweight for a pro RL player. I've made the point previously that when Tuigamala - a big star in world rugby union at the time - was signed by Wigan he was forced to lose his excess weight. Sadly standards have slipped massively at Wigan. The backroom staff should follow Noble out of the door when he leaves. Which will hopefully be soon.