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| Quote ="flyingkelvin"I know this has been said before by many but its too easy to blame Nobby. If he were to go now, I don't think he should, which top coach could we get at this stage of the season?? A top notch coach is what we need, not an inexperienced one.
Please, nobody suggest Wane!'"
I think most people will recognise the importance of Wigans selection of coach after Brian Noble and i agree that it should be somebody with expierience, however it would be very interesting to see who would actually apply for such a postion, its important that whoever is appointed actually wants the job for the right reasons and not just the money.
Personally i believe that the real quality lies in the NRL and that is where we should primarily be looking to select our next coach from, however that is not to say that there are no candidates in Superleague but i certanly cant see any English candidates at present.
I really do think that we missed a trick with not getting Nathan Brown in as coach last season but unsuprisingley Huddersfield were quick to recognise his qualities and i think his appointment has already showed some rewards for them....this was around the time that Brian Noble publically announced that he was interested in the Les Catalan job....but we offered him another year and seen no progress on the pitch and more questinable coaching decisions including recruitment.
Justin Morgan has been mentioned before and he has certanly improved Hull F.C since he joined them, he's young and has some fresh ideas but also has expierience to go with it. The question is would he want to join Wigan?
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| Quote ="dany1979"
Justin Morgan has been mentioned before and he has certanly improved Hull F.C since he joined them, he's young and has some fresh ideas but also has expierience to go with it. The question is would he want to join Wigan?'" Justin is doing a great job. There is no way he would come to us right now though, if Nobby were to be sacked, or at all.
I still say Nobby is the man for the job!
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| Quote ="flyingkelvin"Justin is doing a great job. There is no way he would come to us right now though, if Nobby were to be sacked, or at all.
I still say Nobby is the man for the job!'"
My issue with Bian Noble is that he doesnt seem to know how to build a team and there is a huge difference between building a team and walking into a job where the team has already been built, Ian Millward also suffered badly in this area.
Noble still cant seem to decide his starting 13.
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| Justin Morgan will not come to Wigan. Why would he leave a team on the rise for a team spiralling downwards?
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| If Noble were to go I know a lot of people want an experienced coach but we want an experienced coach that isn't out of touch with the modern game. By that I mean I don't want Hagan or Murray.
The only coach I would have instead of Noble would be Edwards (Farrell Assisstant), Brian Smith, Wayne Bennett, Des Hasler, Tim Sheens, Craig Bellamy, Phil Gould, Justin Morgan, Nathan Brown. And whoever came I would give the assistant role to Shaun Wane.
I am not convinced by Adrian Lam, he is assistant at Sydney Roosters to Brad Fittler who himself is really struggling and learning and failing so not the best apprenticeship to serve for Lam. Like someone said earlier maybe taking a chance on a coach who had worked under Bennett or Smith.
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| Quote ="post"If Noble were to go I know a lot of people want an experienced coach but we want an experienced coach that isn't out of touch with the modern game. By that I mean I don't want Hagan or Murray.
The only coach I would have instead of Noble would be Edwards (Farrell Assisstant), Brian Smith, Wayne Bennett, Des Hasler, Tim Sheens, Craig Bellamy, Phil Gould, Justin Morgan, Nathan Brown. And whoever came I would give the assistant role to Shaun Wane.
I am not convinced by Adrian Lam, he is assistant at Sydney Roosters to Brad Fittler who himself is really struggling and learning and failing so not the best apprenticeship to serve for Lam. Like someone said earlier maybe taking a chance on a coach who had worked under Bennett or Smith.'"
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| Quote ="MattyB"So you guys would rather have kept Cullen then, instead of Smith?
Would you have been in a cup semi, had a good run of results recently with Cullen still in charge?
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but TS was available whereas there are no world class coaches available at the moment, you'll have to wait till the end of the season or get a temporary coach neither of which will benefit Wigan greatly, sticking with noble would be better than bringing someone in at this point in the season.
With TS it was right at the beginning of the season, so not a major overall really.
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| People who talk of Noble leaving simple you want this club to become worst!
Yes I see your point, fresh coach, freash ideas, freash start, how many times do we try this, before it clicks it doesn't work?
Take the words of an ex-players autobiography
" Coaches arrived, each with a two or three plan, but they didn't get the full time to excerise the plan, I had eleven coaches in 13 years, which is a crazy number. The cutlure of the club eroded - and it was not one coach's fault. It was a graudal and inexplicable shift, from the Wigan I joined to the Wigan I left. "
Remove the inconsistency within this squad and it'll improve by far, stick with him, 12month deal, to work with the new props and half.
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| Quote ="The Sneak"People who talk of Noble leaving simple you want this club to become worst!
Yes I see your point, fresh coach, freash ideas, freash start, how many times do we try this, before it clicks it doesn't work?
Take the words of an ex-players autobiography
" Coaches arrived, each with a two or three plan, but they didn't get the full time to excerise the plan, I had eleven coaches in 13 years, which is a crazy number. The cutlure of the club eroded - and it was not one coach's fault. It was a graudal and inexplicable shift, from the Wigan I joined to the Wigan I left. "
Remove the inconsistency within this squad and it'll improve by far, stick with him, 12month deal, to work with the new props and half.'"
Hi Brian. Errrrr No.
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| Quote ="MattyB"Hi Brian. Errrrr No.'"
At least point out why not. Don't do the easy thing and just say no, explain your reasons please?
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| Quote ="The Sneak"People who talk of Noble leaving simple you want this club to become worst!
Yes I see your point, fresh coach, freash ideas, freash start, how many times do we try this, before it clicks it doesn't work?
Take the words of an ex-players autobiography
" Coaches arrived, each with a two or three plan, but they didn't get the full time to excerise the plan, I had eleven coaches in 13 years, which is a crazy number. The cutlure of the club eroded - and it was not one coach's fault. It was a graudal and inexplicable shift, from the Wigan I joined to the Wigan I left. "
Remove the inconsistency within this squad and it'll improve by far, stick with him, 12month deal, to work with the new props and half.'"
How would you go about doing this? Noble has been at it 3 years now and we are more inconsistent than ever......in fact i take that back, we are consistently bad with fewer good performances than ever.
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| [urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLgdcGEqgcw[/url
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| Quote ="jonh"How would you go about doing this? Noble has been at it 3 years now and we are more inconsistent than ever......in fact i take that back, we are consistently bad with fewer good performances than ever.'"
I do see the point but if it's only Noble's blame that is daft, the whole backroom staff have an involvement with the players throughout the week, if Noble was to go, then the whole lie of staff should too., but then we'll be back were we started again, possibly get four to five weeks of good performances, whilst the new buzz of the staff are around, soon to die.
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| Quote ="The Sneak"At least point out why not. Don't do the easy thing and just say no, explain your reasons please?'"
Hi Brian
How about this:
Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"
SL1 86%
SL2 64%
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Our worst ever season in SL - we've definitely moved on since Noble came - DOWN.'"
Quote ="Brian Noble""We had probably taken a bit of pressure away from ourselves with what we'd been doing over the last few weeks but we've heaped it all back on again." '"
Fri 15 May Hull Kingston Rovers Home L12 - 20
Fri 22 May Warrington Wolves Away L16 - 8
Fri 29 May Salford City Reds Home W 28 - 6
Fri 05 Jun Salford City Reds Home W 34 - 18
Sat 13 Jun Celtic Crusaders L22 - 16
Hardly setting the world alight - 2 wins at home to Salford..?
Quote ="Brian Noble""I know Wigan fans will say, 'Hang on a minute, Brian. There are no trophies in the cabinet'.
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No we're not, we're saying we have lost 10 games and won 7. Should other teams win their games in hand over Wigan and we would be next to bottom with Celtic and Salford.
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| Quote ="MattyB"Hi Brian
How about this:
Fri 15 May Hull Kingston Rovers Home L12 - 20
Fri 22 May Warrington Wolves Away L16 - 8
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Fri 05 Jun Salford City Reds Home W 34 - 18
Sat 13 Jun Celtic Crusaders L22 - 16
Hardly setting the world alight - 2 wins at home to Salford..?
No we're not, we're saying we have lost 10 games and won 7. Should other teams win their games in hand over Wigan and we would be next to bottom with Celtic and Salford.'"
Again I see your point, but it's not just Noble.
The season is far from over, it's only over when the table shows us in 9th or below come the end. Still in the cup, still in with a shout of GF action, adding we do perform in the big games, so we do have the chance. What else do you ask? Apart from the impossible - a far higher place in the table with a poor squad list, which isn't worthy of that place in the first place, Noble is doing I'd say a good job, with the players he has.
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| Quote ="The Sneak"I do see the point but if it's only Noble's blame that is daft, the whole backroom staff have an involvement with the players throughout the week, if Noble was to go, then the whole lie of staff should too., but then we'll be back were we started again, possibly get four to five weeks of good performances, whilst the new buzz of the staff are around, soon to die.'"
I agree the entire backroom must go, in my opinion they are all failing with the senior squad.
I said from the moment we recruited BN he was not the man to take us forward, we have to appoint a strong character as well as a good coach. BN was never that man, a coach that has the right character will not see the buzz die off.
If this occurred with every new coach no coach would ever get sacked, it just happens at Wigan we have recruited poorly with the last 2 coaches.
Greg was the last coach to make a positive mark on the club, because of his character and his coaching, we need the total package not another lightweight.
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| Quote ="The Sneak"
Remove the inconsistency within this squad and it'll improve by far, stick with him, 12month deal, to work with the new props and half.'"
If I'd have asked you in 2007, you would have said inconsistancy was our biggest problem.
If I'd have asked you in 2008 you'd have said inconsistancy was our biggest problem
If I'd have asked you in 2009 you'd have said inconsistancy was our biggest problem
Ok, so thats 3 full seasons of inconsistancy. If Noble is the man to remove the inconsistancy, then why has he not done it?
In Nobles time as coach, EVERYTHING has changed, players, owners, EVERYTHING Yet we have the same old problems. I'm sorry Brian, the last few weeks have tipped me over the edge.
The only consistant thing at wigan is the inconsistancy. I've got more chance of winning the lottery that predicting which wigan will turn up on game day.
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| The only thing that is consistent at Wigan is our inconsistency.
Nowt fookin' changes!
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| I think one of the reasons Wigan are in the situation they're in, is the rate that they go through coaches, it's been an embarrassment in the past. We need a steady club first, then we can improve on team performances.
If I remember correctly, we were on the verge of relegation when Noble arrived, so we're definatley in a better position now.
We're currently in the play-off zone, and the semis of the cup!
Chin up!
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| Quote ="babyblue"I think one of the reasons Wigan are in the situation they're in, is the rate that they go through coaches, it's been an embarrassment in the past. We need a steady club first, then we can improve on team performances.
If I remember correctly, we were on the verge of relegation when Noble arrived, so we're definatley in a better position now.
We're currently in the play-off zone, and the semis of the cup!
Chin up!'"
You mean the rate we used to go through coaches. At the end of this year Nobby will have been in place for 3 and a half years. Who has done longer than that in SL with the same club? IMO if we decide not to renew his contract after this season we cannot be accused of dumping another coach.
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| Noble needs to go, and to be honest half of the players if we are to win anything.
Be brutal to win.
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| The all knowing daily star say were wanting Stephen Kearney
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"The all knowing daily star say were wanting Stephen Kearney'"
Well at least he's worked with WB!
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| Quote ="babyblue"I think one of the reasons Wigan are in the situation they're in, is the rate that they go through coaches, it's been an embarrassment in the past. We need a steady club first, then we can improve on team performances. '"
The only problem with this is as has been pointed out is that he has been here just over three years now and the inconsistency has not been addressed. That is plenty of time to see an improvement and we have not. So few people have any confidence given yet more time he would rectify matters.
He is one of the longest serving coaches in SL and coaches who have been at clubs less time than he has at Wigan, most notably Brown at Huddersfield, can point to how they have improved the side. Noble can't.
The irony is the best we played under Noble was in 2006 when apart from the additions of Dobson and Fielden it was a team he inherited. The more it has become "his" team the worse it's got!
As to him being sacked now well if he is not going to be coach next season then surely we don't want him recruiting players? Ideally we'd want our new coach dong that but if IL has not got one lined up I can't see the logic in letting a soon-to-be-ex-coach choose players which leaves us with IL doing the job which is back to Mo doing it.
Unfortunately I still think IL will simply not renew his contract rather than sack him because IL has, IMO, always got one eye on the PR.
So since we have the tag of sacking coaches despite the fact not all of them who left [iwere [/isacked, I think IL will not want to be labelled as doing the same as his predecessors when anyone can see he would be more than justified to remove Noble now. If I am right then he must balance the consequences for the short to medium term against the benefit of not being labelled as his predecessors long term.
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| There is absolutely nothing wrong in IL announcing now that Nobby's contract will not be renewed and that a successor is being - or has been - lined up. It happens with players all the time - why not with our coach? The reason IMO is that IL is actually considering keeping him on.
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