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| Quote ="Babyface Finlayson"With the right coaching and correct training regime Feka would be an awesome impact forward, sadly he is getting neither at Wigan under the current mob.'"
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| Quote ="Mugwump"He wouldn't get a job as an impact player at any of the good NRL sides. He's too unfit.'"
Spot on. If the Wigan coaching and stff had any balls, they'd drop him, but I'm not goin to be hopeful
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| Quote ="Mark1987"Spot on. If the Wigan coaching and stff had any balls, they'd drop him, but I'm not goin to be hopeful
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I take it you didn't see the game yesterday then.
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| He is without doubt worth keeping, there is no-one else who lifts the team or the fans as much as Feka when he isn the pitch. Not to mention he's our only prop capable of breaking a tackle!
There is no better impact props going, course he could do with losing a bit of weight but if he lost anything more than a stone he would lose all his explosiveness IMO
If we had 2 quality starting props capable of laying the platform and making the yards nobody would say a bad word about Feka.
If the coaching staff decided to utlise hiim properly by getting him running onto the ball from deeper and stopping the sidestepping lark, which has been cut out a good bit in the last couple of weeks, he would be a miles better prop (same goes for all our props to be honest)
Keep going big man , its the other props that should be having a look at themselves
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| It's also worth noting that there is some talk in the NRL currently about moving away from the impact role - certainly in the case of props. I think it was Jason Taylor who said it is becoming increasingly difficult to justify the selection of players who are unable to do much more than 40 minutes of work out of 80. Which leaves guys like Feka on the cusp of anachronism.
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| Quote ="kirkamania6"He is without doubt worth keeping, there is no-one else who lifts the team or the fans as much as Feka when he isn the pitch. Not to mention he's our only prop capable of breaking a tackle!
There is no better impact props going, course he could do with losing a bit of weight but if he lost anything more than a stone he would lose all his explosiveness IMO
If we had 2 quality starting props capable of laying the platform and making the yards nobody would say a bad word about Feka.
If the coaching staff decided to utlise hiim properly by getting him running onto the ball from deeper and stopping the sidestepping lark, which has been cut out a good bit in the last couple of weeks, he would be a miles better prop (same goes for all our props to be honest)
Keep going big man
, its the other props that should be having a look at themselves'"
He's fantastic at that when we are winning, but when the team is losing and down in the dumps, he's not worth a carrot, games like the Castleford, Wakefield (start of season) Hull KR at home, Celtic last night, where was he to step up and get the team encouraged, he's not on the field long enough to a make ahuge difference to the attitude on the field at that time, he coes on makes 4 good runs, then goes off. not really team lifting stuff.
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| Quote ="Mark1987"But as much as Feka puts in going forward, he lacks in defence and match time, is he seriously worth keeping? I'd expect the guy to be on a nice wage. Could be easily replaced i think.'"
What a complete load of tosh. Feka is the best impact prop in SL by miles and changes games when he comes on why would we want to lose that? The other props in our squad are where the problems lie. Feka's game time is fine as well imo he regulary plays 40 mins during the game which is fine for one of four props!!
Other fans can come on here as much as they want and slate him but the fact remains there isn’t one team in SL who Feka wouldn’t walk into.
Quote Others would join a list of not having the winning gene within them, players like Richards, Prescott, Hansen, Bailey are people that don't look like winners to me. If I make sense. All don't seem to want to fight for it.'"
You most defiantly don’t make sense. Richards has played a key role in a GF winning side? Prescott is still a relative youngster playing prop and it’s players like Coley and Fielden that should be taking control of a game rather than him. What really do you expect him to do?
Quote Myler, Briscoe, Burgess and LMS, not unrealistic players either, players we could sign I think, with the others gone.'"
How are Briscoe and Burgess realistic targets? Burgess is Bradford through and through and Briscoe has already turned us down once and just signed a brand new contract??
Plus we don't need Briscoe FFS we’ve got Richards, Phelps, Roberts and Ainscough which more than covers the back three!! FB isn’t that important compared to the other areas we need to fill. You could have Slater playing for us and he’d do fook all as we’ve got no go forward when Feka isn’t on and we haven’t got any control at HB either.
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| Quote ="Mark1987"He's fantastic at that when we are winning, but when the team is losing and down in the dumps, he's not worth a carrot, games like the Castleford, Wakefield (start of season) Hull KR at home, Celtic last night, where was he to step up and get the team encouraged, he's not on the field long enough to a make ahuge difference to the attitude on the field at that time, he coes on makes 4 good runs, then goes off. not really team lifting stuff.'"
as an outsider i think the feka issue kinda mirrors the problems you're having with the team at the moment.
Not as good as you think you are/should be.
Personally i think you should cut your losses on him, how longs left on his contract.
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| Quote ="Tony Catsmith"as an outsider i think the feka issue kinda mirrors the problems you're having with the team at the moment.
Not as good as you think you are/should be.
Personally i think you should cut your losses on him, how longs left on his contract.'"
We could replace him with ease, I suppose he's at the club to has they will make alot more from his name with the kids then other players. His contract is up next year.
Burgess - Bradford through and through. quite like Mr Fielden then?
The club needs to shed the deadweight, some carrying it on the field. Don't think I've ever seen Feka put 40mins into a match? what did he do in the forsthalf yesterday? 23min he came on? second half went off after about 11 mins to do 5 at the end?
I'm not saying he's crap, I'm just saying he's crap at the minute, we could have better, maybe underthe right coach, he'll perform far better, but I'd consist him for the drop to show him he isn't guaranteed first team.
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| I don't buy this "impact" prop garbage anymore
The word has krept into our vocabulary to justify the small amount of time Feka is on the park
Every prop should be capable of putting in a 60 min shift in. The coach should then be able to rotate the bench so that the reason a prop makes an impact is that he has fresh leg, nothing more
If we can train him up to do this great, if not get rid
I would never describe Skerritt, Platt, Cowie, Lucas, or Dowling as an impact prop. They don't exist
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| Feka does about 40mins a game with-
The last 20mins of the 1st half,
the 1st ten of the 2nd half,
Then about the last 10 of the game.
Not an exact science but it’s around 40 out of the 80 playing mins but no one will ever acknowledge that. The spells when he’s on also are the times when we have the most go forward. Now if Feka is on for 40 mins what are the other three props doing?
Feka is an easy target cause of the way he looks.
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| Quote ="Mark1987"The club needs to shed the deadweight, some carrying it on the field. Don't think I've ever seen Feka put 40mins into a match? what did he do in the forsthalf yesterday? 23min he came on? second half went off after about 11 mins to do 5 at the end?'"
That's 33mins from your own speculative calculation isn't it? Only 7 mins short of the 40 you’ve never seen him do???
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"Feka does about 40mins a game with-
The last 20mins of the 1st half,
the 1st ten of the 2nd half,
Then about the last 10 of the game.
Not an exact science but it’s around 40 out of the 80 playing mins but no one will ever acknowledge that. The spells when he’s on also are the times when we have the most go forward. Now if Feka is on for 40 mins what are the other three props doing?
Feka is an easy target cause of the way he looks.'"
How very dare you!!! I'm of similar proportions to him.
On a serious note his game time is dictated by his fitness not tactics, so I still don't buy this impact prop position that keeps being quoted
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| Quote ="Mark1987"We could replace him with ease, I suppose he's at the club to has they will make alot more from his name with the kids then other players. His contract is up next year.
Burgess - Bradford through and through. quite like Mr Fielden then?
The club needs to shed the deadweight, some carrying it on the field. Don't think I've ever seen Feka put 40mins into a match? what did he do in the forsthalf yesterday? 23min he came on? second half went off after about 11 mins to do 5 at the end?
I'm not saying he's crap, I'm just saying he's crap at the minute, we could have better, maybe underthe right coach, he'll perform far better, but I'd consist him for the drop to show him he isn't guaranteed first team.'"
Who would you replace him with?
Fielden situation different to Burgess and Fielden is anyway so bit of a bad example
Feka did 58 minutes against Catalans in the play offs last season and all of our props are doing around 40 minutes a match now anyway.
Feka has made more metres AND carries than any other of our props this season so you CAN'T use the 'he only plays 5 minutes a game' .
Its the starting props we should be criticising not Feka. The starters are meant to be our 2 best props and get us off to a decent start but their both poor and leave Feka and Prescott to come on when the team is down and in the mire.
You reckon he's on good money? I agree he probably is but Fielden and probably Coley will be on more and provide a lot worse vakue for money than Feka
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| Quote ="kirkamania6"Who would you replace him with?
Fielden situation different to Burgess and Fielden is anyway so bit of a bad example
Feka did 58 minutes against Catalans in the play offs last season and all of our props are doing around 40 minutes a match now anyway.
Feka has made more metres AND carries than any other of our props this season so you CAN'T use the 'he only plays 5 minutes a game' rubbish.
Its the starting props we should be criticising not Feka. The starters are meant to be our 2 best props and get us off to a decent start but their both poor and leave Feka and Prescott to come on when the team is down and in the mire.
You reckon he's on good money? I agree he probably is but Fielden and probably Coley will be on more and provide a lot worse vakue for money than Feka'"
agree with everything you say mate.
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| Quote ="kirkamania6"Who would you replace him with?
Fielden situation different to Burgess and Fielden is anyway so bit of a bad example
Feka did 58 minutes against Catalans in the play offs last season and all of our props are doing around 40 minutes a match now anyway.
Feka has made more metres AND carries than any other of our props this season so you CAN'T use the 'he only plays 5 minutes a game' rubbish.
Its the starting props we should be criticising not Feka. The starters are meant to be our 2 best props and get us off to a decent start but their both poor and leave Feka and Prescott to come on when the team is down and in the mire.
You reckon he's on good money? I agree he probably is but Fielden and probably Coley will be on more and provide a lot worse vakue for money than Feka'"
maybe they offer slighty less in the means of metres forward, but they make up for it by far in defence compared to Feka. Both Fielden and Coley. Yes Feka makes 10metres more but over the set of six, you do the same as you lose out on the quick play of the ball, as he spends forever rolling on the floor trying to play the ball, I believe we score most tries after a Fielden/Coley drive, drop to their knees quick-ish play of the ball, due to their set up for the play of the ball, out to Hock, as the defences line hasn't set, usually score.
Fielden at Bradford the time we signed him? I'd class him and Burgess no better then one another.
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| Quote ="Mark1987"maybe they offer slighty less in the means of metres forward, but they make up for it by far in defence compared to Feka. Both Fielden and Coley. Yes Feka makes 10metres more but over the set of six, you do the same as you lose out on the quick play of the ball, as he spends forever rolling on the floor trying to play the ball, I believe we score most tries after a Fielden/Coley drive, drop to their knees quick-ish play of the ball, due to their set up for the play of the ball, out to Hock, as the defences line hasn't set, usually score.
Fielden at Bradford the time we signed him? I'd class him and Burgess no better then one another.'"
I'd rather a 10 metre drive with a slow PTB than a 5 metre drive with an average PTB at best, do not kid yourself there PTB speeds are not key in us scoring tries.
Forgot to mention both Fielden and Coley make more errors and concede more penalties too.
Fielden gets through a lot of work in defence but doesn't hit the opposition player hard in the tackle. Even so for the money he will be on he should be the leagues best prop in defence and attack by a clear distance and he simply isn't, how you could justify keeping him before Feka is beyond me.
Coley is alright in defence but still misses tackles and gives away silly penalties.
Also I think Fielden coming had a bit more to do with Noble and money and I see Burgess as more loyal than that
You still didn't reply to the rest of my post and I'd appreciate it if you would reply to all of my post and not just pick a bit as you please
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| Well consisting he’d walk into most teams, there is far far better out there, he’s played a game in hand on the guys below, but finds himself below them in metres gained charts.
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You still sure we couldn’t replace him with ease?
I agree the wage Fielden takes home, he should be the best in the team, but then again the wage Nobby takes home, I'd expect us to be the best SL team. That's sport.
Fielden as made double the tackles Feka as made, nearly triple the marker tackles, so I'd expect him to have given more penalties away, error's are part of the game, as Feka found out yesterday.
As for the PTB speed not being key to scoring, please tell that to the Saints side?
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| Quote ="Mark1987"Well consisting he’d walk into most teams, there is far far better out there, he’s played a game in hand on the guys below, but finds himself below them in metres gained charts.
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I agree the wage Fielden takes home, he should be the best in the team, but then again the wage Nobby takes home, I'd expect us to be the best SL team. That's sport.
Fielden as made double the tackles Feka as made, nearly triple the marker tackles, so I'd expect him to have given more penalties away, error's are part of the game, as Feka found out yesterday.
As for the PTB speed not being key to scoring, please tell that to the Saints side?'"
I would rather replace Coley and Fielden before Feka. Who would you bring in who is realistic in getting?
Fielden and Noble can both go for me.
There is no doubt defensively Fielden's statistics are great but he needs to offer a lot more than good defence.
I didn't mean PTB speed isn't key to scoring, I meant that I could count on 1 hand the amount of tries we have scored of a good PTB from Fielden or Coley. That doesn't mean to say we don't score tries off the back of PTB's from Feka though.
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| End of this year.
Luke Burgess, Nathan Cayless are players I think he could bring in. With Coley going. Prescott on loan next year.
End of next year (2010), end of Feka's and Fielden's contract, there are loads of players off contract to replace him. Morley, S. Burgess, any two prop's are affordable next year, with Fielden and Feka leaving.
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| we need Nathan Cayless. He is the type of prop we are crying out for
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| Quote ="Das Tard"we need Nathan Cayless. He is the type of prop we are crying out for'"
So we will have one good prop then. We'll be stuck with Fielden doing nothing but tackling and Feka for his 10 minute bursts. Coley is average at best.
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| Quote ="Boris"So we will have one good prop then. We'll be stuck with Fielden doing nothing but tackling and Feka for his 10 minute bursts. Coley is average at best.'"
Sure if you read the bottom of page 3 your'll see why he mention's Cayless
Both L. Burgess and Cayless and Myler are needed. Splash the cash IL you need too.
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| Quote ="Mark1987"Sure if you read the bottom of page 3 your'll see why he mention's Cayless
Both L. Burgess and Cayless and Myler are needed. Splash the cash IL you need too.'"
you change your mind more times than a goldfish, on other post's posted only yesterday you claim we do not need any props, in other posts you produce lists that differ every time you post one, make your bloody mind up ffs.
P.S to the genius's out there, Brian Noble is the man who decides how long players are on the field, and as we all know Nobster loves to sub by the clock, therefore how can anyone blame Feka for the amount of time he is on the field, ISTR he played longer at the end of last season and handled it well, can anyone remember when Nobskin took Feka from the field of play earlier in the season and Feka lost it giving the clown dirty looks and whispering under his breath "You chuffing Weapon"
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| Burgess is unrealistic aswell. Contracted till 2011, stated that he wants to stay at Bradford to at least the end of this contract.
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