I'll bet most wiganers are glad your not the coach.

forgetting your choice of halves you would seriously run with 1 prop, 1 backrower, a scrumhalf/replacement hooker and a standoff on the bench LOL


1.richards
2.roberts/pryce
3.bailey
4.carmont
5.ainscough
6.Tomkins
7.Smith
8.Coley
9.Riddell
10.Fielden
11.Hansen
12.Hock
13.O'Loughlin
14.Lulu
15.Feka
16.Tomkins
17.Prescott

Is more like I'd go for if I actually wanted to put a team out to compete/win

"Go f*ck yourself San Diego"

This is a highly disturbing thread.

Loyalwiganer has managed to initiate a discussion which has had the unfortunate result of showing that there are actually some Saints fans that know more about RL than some Wigan fans (ok, not many, but its still not good)....















Smith? SMITH? [size=150SMITH?[/size

Surely this is a joke?

And don't even get me started on Phelps. Useless. Absolutely useless.

FB 5 Pat Richards
RW 2 Amos Roberts
RC 12 Phil Bailey/20 Karl Pryce
LC 4 George Carmont
LW 28 Sean Ainscough
SO 25 Sam Tomkins/6 Tim Smith
SH 7 Thomas Leuluai
P 14 Andy Coley
H 9 Mark Riddell
P 19 Paul Prescott
SR 14 Joel Tomkins
SR 16 Harrison Hansen
LF 13 Sean O'Loughlin
S 8 Stuart Fielden/24 Lee Mossop/29 Ben Davies
S 10 Iafeta Paleaaesina
S 11 Gareth Hock
S 17 Michael McIllorum

/ = Depends on how they play v Barrow if selected, I wouldn't have any qualms about giving a debut to Mossop or Davies as bench prop if they outperform Fielden v Barrow. His form is terrible, the thing that's getting on my nerves about him is the little hop he does when he catches a ball, then he runs three steps (just past whoever passed it to him if that), stands upright, hands off a player, then gets tackled. I don't have a clue why he doesn't just run, catch the ball and keep running like every other prop. Does he think he's a stand off or what?

The fact that he is injured seems to have gone straight over everyones head.

Ah, I see. He must be permanently injured....



The guy is not up to SL standard, let alone the standards we should expect at Wigan.

Phelps at 6, are you joking?

Phelps at 6? Smith at 7?

Lets learn from past matches, review how they have played and move on. Smith and Phelps individually have proven to be 'below par'. What makes you think putting them in the centre of the park as half backs will be a good move?

Seriously.. I wanna know, I'm open to learning from others on why they think a change/something new would work.

Although the original poster will not have meant this - The Aussies rated Cameron Phelps as a halfback and not a winger/fullback.

Nevertheless, is playing Phelps/Smith at the halves our best foot forward?

FWIW I would have given Phelps a run out at 6 in the pre-season, maybe against Warrington near xmas rather than having lockers at 6 Sam at 7 as they did.

I'm thinking they tried it in training and it didn't work.

yes i am well aware of this,plus i realise that the way our team is playing serious changes need to be made.lots of people on this sites are scathing about our team and yet want the same players week in week out.?

Phelps' natural position is 6, he's said himself he'd like to play more in-field. But I don't think Saints would be the game to do it.

Lets go f#cking mental, Lets go f#cking mental, la la la

I am fully prepared for the mullering im about to get for typing this and to be honest im a little disgusted with myself but here goes.

The game against stains, is a throw away game, we are not under any circumstances going to win, or even get close.

For this reason and this reason only, i would leave out both tomkins and ainscough, they are going to need a rest at some point this season, and it really isnt worth risking them in this game, as stains will score as many as they want to be honest.

Whilst i understand that this is a terrible attitude to have and hopefully not one that the team have, i feel that this has come about as a direct result of our coaching philosophy, as we all know that the reality of this competion is that nothing is won in April (arrrrrgh)

We need to start beating teams in our 'tier' before we even think about competing with the likes of stains leeds, therefore i think we should pick our battles, scrape into the 8 and have a run from there.

Yes im writing the season off, but to be honest it already is over for us, it is now a case of damage limitation, and keeping the young lads fit and healthy. Forget the stains result/performance, concentrate on the catalans, celtic and wakefield games (the imediate 3 after and before we have stains again) as this year those three teams are the ones we need to beat!

Therefore mathers at fullback, pryce/phelps on the wing, smith at half. then put it Pat Tomkins and Ainscough the week after.

i stopped reading at the bold point. Need a rest

there only 12 years old why do they need a rest. Play them every game this season for me.

You cannot expect them to play every game, yes they are young and that is a big reason to why they shouldnt be playing everyweek. Rest them against stains and let them have another go the week after.

To many players have done too much too young, accross less intensive sports than RL and had careers shortened.

We wont get within a 3 scores of stains anyway so why risk them!

We need to pick our battles!

With the team you picked they would blow the 75-0 out the water lets have a bit of pride in the shirt and let them know they have been in a game instead of a training session.

Couldn't agree more, as I posted Saturday on the "should Ainscough play" thread. Sam blew 2 tries against Hudds and Sean let 2 in. Time for a very short break IMO and what better game to miss than a pasting by Saints?

Why cant the players coming in have a bit of pride and play for the shirt,

if leaving out richards (decent defensive fullback but after all the last line!), Ainscough (short and will be kicked to death against a 6'2'' Gardner)
and Tomkins (good defender) makes that much of a difference ill be amazed. At least Pryce on the wing can jump agains Gardner and someone may trip over Mathers while he attemting to make a challenge.

I know im waving the flag, but do you honestly think we will be within 20 points of them

No i dont but we won't be within 50 after 40 mins if Mathers, Smith and Phelps play they will completely pepper Mathers to death. Don't know about Pryce but the other 3 i wouldn't play in the reserve game never mind the 1st team.

richards
roberts
gleeson
carmont
phelps
s.tomkins
leuleui
fielden
riddell
hock
paleaasina
hansen
o loughlin

j tomkins
bailey
ainscough?
mcillorum...

Play a team full of the reserves. They'd probably do better than the 1st team and we'd see some real passion.

Worst team selection ever !!!!!

Dont seem to be able to find your OPINION of what team the selection may be on this thread!?!?


Phelps, Feka and if with us Gleeson will start the game IMO

Feka at Second Row.