Thats was his overall contribution for three years service

True. Well overrated by the Leeds fans, as they do with all their players.

This guy had 8 shockers in 1997

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How about Doc Murray in his first match?

That was the first time in years when I actually thought: "Crikey, we've bought a lemon!"

He probably played a few more matches that season, but he lost the crowd on that very first appearance, when he seemed to think that playing at Wigan's pace was too much trouble.

... and then became reincarnated as 'Richie Mathers' circa 2008



Whoever suggested the game that ended mathers' career was the wakey one?! The game that should have ended his career was millenium magic last year...yet we had a spineless coach who continued to let him off and forget his failings!!

At least it only took the wigan coach in 1997 6 games to realise murry was woeful....its taken the current one 'a season and a half not out' with mathers!

Though it is official...mathers is better than murry.......as that link proves murry never scored for wigan...mathers has ONE try so must be better

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doc_Murray What a distinguished career eh?!?! Who ever signed him at wigan should never be employed again!! Really dark times for the club then...murry,koloi, lester, Lee hansen etc!! at least now we only have the odd one or two to worry about!! Mathers must be so pleased for that signing 12 years ago though....but for offering doc murray a trial mathers would have the distinction of Wigan RLFCs Worst Ever Full Back!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doc_Murray What a distinguished career eh?!?! Who ever signed him at wigan should never be employed again!! Really dark times for the club then...murry,koloi, lester, Lee hansen etc!! at least now we only have the odd one or two to worry about!! Mathers must be so pleased for that signing 12 years ago though....but for offering doc murray a trial mathers would have the distinction of Wigan RLFCs Worst Ever Full Back!

Dont remember him signing for the Wire, do they not want Mathers as well?

Played 3 games as sub. Under the name David Murray


25/8/1997 to 5/09/1997

We had Mathers for a season as a youngster & he was excellent.

but he back for the 4th game into the season

Quote ="dave2311"Was that not Desi Williams? If not then he had a similar shocker at Cas on Sky.'" yer it was mate, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desi_Williams Quote He was given his chance in the first team at Wigan Warriors in 2004. After a decent first game he was criticised for his bad performance a week later against Castleford Tigers in which he dropped numerous high ball's in dangerous territory and was subsequently dropped the week later.'"

Quote ="dave2311"Was that not Desi Williams? If not then he had a similar shocker at Cas on Sky.'" yer it was mate, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desi_Williams Quote He was given his chance in the first team at Wigan Warriors in 2004. After a decent first game he was criticised for his bad performance a week later against Castleford Tigers in which he dropped numerous high ball's in dangerous territory and was subsequently dropped the week later.'"

one of these two John Monie / Eric Hughes

Wasn't Monie!

I had a LONG Chat with Monie when He came back to Wigan in 1998 and the main Crux of the conversation was that we must NEVER sign a player as bad as that again!

I think if we cou;ld get to the Bottom of the facts You will find it wasnt Hughes either, I think a certain J Robinson may be to blame for that one!

Moran played Full back against us in the 75-0 game and had an absolute nightmare. I have never seen a guy look so fed up walking back to the kick off from behind the posts after some of the stick he was getting from a group of Saints Lads.

Believe it or not, he had far worse games Than that AND far worse stick from His OWN Fans!

Poor Old Dennis, if he had worse games than that, he must have been bad!
Who's inspired signing was he anyway?

He's scored two mate. The lads World Class I tell thee

I remember his try he got against Wakefield in the Challenge Cup, chipped through, picked it up and scored under the posts, with his 'up yours' body language to the Wigan fans (who'd been given him serious grief for weeks). A mere 7 games later he was gone.

What was it with Moran at Wigan? He did well at the Harlequins/Bronocs/whatever they are under now! Was it that he couldn't take the pressure at a massive club, didn't fit the play, alleged off field activities, or a combination of them all?

I think Moran gets a lot of undue stick, I think Wigan just used him in completely the wrong way and expecting him to create plays when, largely, he's the chap who has the talent to finish them off.

He certainly had his moments last season when he turned out for us and won a couple of games single-handedly, but I think the injuries had certainly kicked in by the end of the season.

Knew you would see sense one day.

At least my Dennis tries to tackle

I have never denied you are a massive club, but so are Newcastle United, and my team Leeds and that doesn't do us much good.

Never knew that. (guffaw)

We all have to support a Lesser team in One Sport don't we? Means we enjoy the success more for our other team! Im guessing you must be a Man U fan in football?

Nope City.




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