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| Quote ="wigan pie man"KARL PRYCE at 6.'"
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Quote ="Charlie Seeling"Noble does not rate Sam anywhere near as highly. He has real hang ups about small players whomever they are. IL wants Sam in the team (IL in a sense does not help by making Sam 'his boy') So Sam becomes about more than the simple selection it should be and more about the power struggle between coach / owner.
I did say previously that at Leigh, Sam T could have been selected to play at 7 but had he done so and played well Noble would have been forced to select him v Wakey. By not selecting him to play many here agreed that he should at best be sub v Wakey. This is how pathetic selection politics has got at the club. Ironically, Noble talks about the players having their own agendas.
V Hull, Noble cannot not select Sam
However, if Noble had his way the Lockers to 6 ploy would be how he prefers to go. Lockers to 6 is crazy BTW and threatens to damage the good start to 2009 that Lockers had.
Our club is embroilled in a pathetic power struggle between owner / coach.'"
If true. Noble should resign and explain why he is doing so. Noble is the coach and IL should stay as far away from that process as possible. If he has such serious with the way Noble is doing his job, he should sack him.
If this is true, god help us.
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| Quote ="Charlie Seeling"I believe that is part of the tension between the 2. IL as you say cannot interfere directly and he has to allow Noble to select whom he wants but in less direct ways and bhind closed doors IL expresses his views. If we accept that IL is a 'fan' then that gives him the mentality of a fan. we often pick the team hypothetically etc.'"
Yes, but the difference is, it really doesn't matter what we say, because we aren't involved in the process. As such he should act accordingly and leave it to the coaching set up to deal with. Owner or not.
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| Quote ="WigansForeignLegion"Charlie, can you substantiate your claim of a rift in any way? I'm not doubting what you're saying as such but haven't read/heard this anywhere else and therefore would be grateful of something to add credence to this.'"
Most RL media employees would confirm it.
Unfortunately, I cannot print for a example a comment because by doing so it would become evident to IL/Noble who said it.
Other than Wane, everybody at the club tip toes around stroking both IL and Noble's Egos.
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| Quote ="AJ"If this is true, god help us.'"
Massive massive MASSIVE "if" there.
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| Quote ="Charlie Seeling"Noble does not rate Sam anywhere near as highly. He has real hang ups about small players whomever they are. IL wants Sam in the team (IL in a sense does not help by making Sam 'his boy') So Sam becomes about more than the simple selection it should be and more about the power struggle between coach / owner.
I did say previously that at Leigh, Sam T could have been selected to play at 7 but had he done so and played well Noble would have been forced to select him v Wakey. By not selecting him to play many here agreed that he should at best be sub v Wakey. This is how pathetic selection politics has got at the club. Ironically, Noble talks about the players having their own agendas.
V Hull, Noble cannot not select Sam
However, if Noble had his way the Lockers to 6 ploy would be how he prefers to go. Lockers to 6 is crazy BTW and threatens to damage the good start to 2009 that Lockers had.
Our club is embroilled in a pathetic power struggle between owner / coach.'"
There's only one winner there then, he who pays the piper etc.......
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| Quote ="Laura xxx"Massive massive MASSIVE "if" there.'"
True. But IMO if it wasn't true, Charlie has already "slurred" both their characters sufficently to see some kind of comeback.
It would make sense tbh in terms of team selection and Noble seemingly wanting to get a 6 in.
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| Quote ="AJ"Yes, but the difference is, it really doesn't matter what we say, because we aren't involved in the process. As such he should act accordingly and leave it to the coaching set up to deal with. Owner or not.'"
Very true but never under estimate how much politics goes on at a professional sports organisation.
An example of selection politics. we played Catalan. A forward had an injury doubt. So a reserve forward was given the reserve spot. At the last minute that was changed and Sam T was given his place. The forward with the injury doubt broke down within minute of the game starting and we had no reserve for him on the bench.
Just as a really silly example. The reserves drew a game v Bradford last season IIRC and Sam T bombed a try when all he had to do was pass the ball. He was told not to turn up at the post match video evaluation and when the rest of the team were shown the plus/negative points they ended the analysis before the last couple of minutes so to avoid showing the error by Sam T. How crazy is that
What we as fans do not realise is that sometimes coaches make promises to players and then if they break that promise it becomes an issue.
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| Quote ="Laura xxx"Massive massive MASSIVE "if" there.'"
You complain if I post as regards you and yet you are here again.
I would be interested to know who gave Cruncher my IP addresses also. Invasion of privacy?
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| Quote ="AJ"True. But IMO if it wasn't true, Charlie has already "slurred" both their characters sufficently to see some kind of comeback.
It would make sense tbh in terms of team selection and Noble seemingly wanting to get a 6 in.'"
It seems IL deliberately didnt sign a 6 thinking it would force Noble would play Tomkins.
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| Noble was obsessed with signing Bird. However, the rumours re unloading other plyers cause a great deal of unest.
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| Quote ="Charlie Seeling"Noble was obsessed with signing Bird. However, the rumours re unloading other plyers cause a great deal of unest.'"
Just to back you up on this Charlie, I was told of friction between them last season.
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| I agree that Sam should be given a proper chance as there is absolutely no spark in our attack what so ever!!
However we had one of the best stand offs in the world here last season and our attack was still very very poor. I think Nobles coaching style is killing us more than just simply not having a decent 6 or giving Sam a go.
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| Quote ="Nogga"I agree that Sam should be given a proper chance as there is absolutely no spark in our attack what so ever!!
However we had one of the best stand offs in the world here last season and our attack was still very very poor. I think Nobles coaching style is killing us more than just simply not having a decent 6 or giving Sam a go.'"
Agree with all this, but what is the reason for the obvious "flatness" in the team? Their body language was terrible yesterday, plodding around everywhere with no urgency. Could it be the way they are being coached that is getting them down?
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| Quote ="Nogga"I agree that Sam should be given a proper chance as there is absolutely no spark in our attack what so ever!!
However we had one of the best stand offs in the world here last season and our attack was still very very poor. I think Nobles coaching style is killing us more than just simply not having a decent 6 or giving Sam a go.'"
The only time we saw what Trent could do at his best was usually when the game plan went out of the window and we were playing catch up rugby, i feel sure had Trent been playing yesterday we would be talking about a garbage performance but a narrow win, i am affraid Noble has lost his major bit of paper to cover some significant cracks in his approach to the game losing TB.
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"Agree with all this, but what is the reason for the obvious "flatness" in the team? Their body language was terrible yesterday, plodding around everywhere with no urgency. Could it be the way they are being coached that is getting them down?'"
Gb under Noble were the same, as were Bradford towards the end of his time there.
Coincidence?
This was the main reason i was not happy when he was appointed truth be told, that along with his one man rugby approach.
I never noticed his defensive plays at Braford or GB to be honest but it would be interesting to see if they match the tactics he employs with us.
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| Quote ="jonh"Gb under Noble were the same, as were Bradford towards the end of his time there.
Coincidence?
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LOL so are you saying that Tony Smith's team looked better than Nobles? GB at least put up some kind of fight against the Aussies with Noble as coach and as for Bradford looking flat well Noble left them as world champions so that blows that theory out of the water.
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| Quote ="Charlie Seeling"You complain if I post as regards you and yet you are here again.
I would be interested to know who gave Cruncher my IP addresses also. Invasion of privacy?'"
Ah good. So you got that message before it was removed.
This childishness is over as far as I'm concerned. It's up to you whether you want to start it up again.
Stick to your rugby assessments and lay off the childish personal stuff, and we'll all be a lot happier.
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"Agree with all this, but what is the reason for the obvious "flatness" in the team? Their body language was terrible yesterday, plodding around everywhere with no urgency. Could it be the way they are being coached that is getting them down?'"
Theres no excuse for the flatness of the team, i think the players are to blame for that not the coaching. Certain players managed to look enthusiastic e.g. O'Carroll, Hansen, Tomkins to name 3. A large proportion of the others looked like they'd rather be somewhere else.
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| There was a brief moment yesterday and one v Leigh where the players played entirely off the cuff and they were literally passing/drawing, offloading etc. Now you clearly cannot do that for 80 minues but it does show they actually have skill.
Noble talked about getting caught cold v Wakey. We got caught cold so many times it is untrue in 2007/2008 BUT we then had Trent to get us out of jail. It was lmost as if we will play the Noble way but when it gos pear shaped e will play it as we see it.
It's not really fair to Wakey but trent would have = an undeserved win for us yesterday.
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| Quote ="Nogga"I agree that Sam should be given a proper chance as there is absolutely no spark in our attack what so ever!!
However we had one of the best stand offs in the world here last season and our attack was still very very poor. I think Nobles coaching style is killing us more than just simply not having a decent 6 or giving Sam a go.'"
I agree with you.
With 5 drives and a kick ( unless within opposition's 20m line) it won't make any difference who we bring in.
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| Quote ="jonh"The only time we saw what Trent could do at his best was usually when the game plan went out of the window and we were playing catch up rugby, i feel sure had Trent been playing yesterday we would be talking about a garbage performance but a narrow win, i am affraid Noble has lost his major bit of paper to cover some significant cracks in his approach to the game losing TB.'"
Totally agree. Noble relies on barnstorming runs from Feka and Hock, with an offload off the back of it, or breaks from dummy half. If that fails it used to be the Trent Barrett factor.
Another thing i don't quite understand is how Noble says we will now be able to play a more expansive game this season. If you cant play an expansive game with Trent in the team, how the hell does losing him mean we will be more expansive!?!?
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| Quote ="Nogga"Totally agree. Noble relies on barnstorming runs from Feka and Hock, with an offload off the back of it, or breaks from dummy half. If that fails it used to be the Trent Barrett factor.
Another thing i don't quite understand is how Noble says we will now be able to play a more expansive game this season. If you cant play an expansive game with Trent in the team, how the hell does losing him mean we will be more expansive!?!?'"
Very good posts by you and by Jon H
I do not think the players do not put the effort in but they are given a schoolboy RL game plan and it means they actually work harder than their opponents do by trying to knock down brick walls.
Jack Gibson coined a phrase "Coach Killer" well Brian Noble is a "Player killer" Would you want to play for Brian Noble. Winger in a Brian Noble team must tantamont to signing your own death warrant.
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| Quote ="Charlie Seeling"Very good posts by you and by Jon H
I do not think the players do not put the effort in but they are given a schoolboy RL game plan and it means they actually work harder than their opponents do by trying to knock down brick walls.
Jack Gibson coined a phrase "Coach Killer" well Brian Noble is a "Player killer" Would you want to play for Brian Noble. Winger in a Brian Noble team must tantamont to signing your own death warrant.'"
Yet Vanikolo and Vaikona scored shed loads of trys at Bradford.
People try to say Bradfords wingers played like extra props well thats not true as Hape and Vanikolo had a lethal partnership and scored some wonderful centre/wing partnership trys.
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"Yet Vanikolo and Vaikona scored shed loads of trys at Bradford.
People try to say Bradfords wingers played like extra props well thats not true as Hape and Vanikolo had a lethal partnership and scored some wonderful centre/wing partnership trys.'"
Bradford played some great expansive rugby at times and regularly ran in loads and loads of points. People use the "boring rugby" soundbite as easily as the "it wasn't Nobles team". He left with them World Champions, I wonder who was responsible for that.
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| Quote ="AJ"He left with them World Champions, I wonder who was responsible for that.'"
Well obviously it was Matthew Elliot who coached them for the WCC game before he left God knows how many years ago!
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