I don't see how it couldn't be.

Correct, and this was my point last season when we were celebrating it.

The 27 rounds are basically a qualifying tournament for the playoffs. Wire have qualified in 1st and get the supposed simpler route in that they get a home semi final against an opponent of their choice. Not hard to understand.

Apparently though they'll be remembered as league winners and not the Grand Final winners (providing it isn't them of course)

If it isn't a prize then why have the LLS? Warrington have won the league, the league is now over with for this season. Now we are moving onto a completely different thing in the Playoffs and GF.

It's fairly simple to grasp.

Coming top of the regular rounds is a prize in and of itself.

They aren't a separate competition though are they? They're an extension of the same competition in the same way as the knockout stages of the World Cup.

Will people remember the 4 group winners of the RU World Cup, or the final winners?

Do people remember who comes 3rd in the Championship or the team that is promoted to the Premiership via the playoffs?

Will people remember Wire as the 2011 Super League winners or the winners of the Grand Final?

Who were classed as league winners in 2000 when we came top and Saints won the Grand Final?

The first two examples you have given are pretty poor considering neither of them teams are awarded with something, unlike Warrington. I also understand that the team who wins the league doesn't usually get remembered if they fail to go on and win the Grand Final, but thats more down to a problem with the competition as a whole.

The point people were making that, is that Warrington haven't won the league, when the clearly have. They are League Winners of 2011.

Bloody hell didn't think I would ever agree with you.

Here was me thinking there was 3 things you could win in a season.

The Shield being the lesser of the 3.

Are you on the wind up here or do you really not get it?





The "League" does not exist as a competition in itself anymore. The Grand Final has replaced this.

The league determines the play order of the playoffs. That's it.

That isn't it, clearly, since the league determines the LLS.

So Warrington still haven't won the league and we can continue singing that song next season?

The clue's in the name. Wire are League leaders, not winners. It's only a word but it's pretty significant in this case. Like the Callenge Cup 'Champions'. The league winners are the team that win the GF.

If the league doesn't exist then why did Wigan get a trophy for coming top after 27 rounds last year?

Its this that makes our sport a laughing stock.....I have a few friends who I play cricket with who like to watch a bit of Rugby League from an impartial stance, and they are amazed that the League Leaders at the end of the regular season are not viewed as champions.

Most see the play offs for what they truly are.....An extension of the season, created, financed and hyped by Sky Sports, in order to fill their schedules.

The LLS is a relatively new recognition that was mainly done to make Bradford STFU as their Chairman bellyached for Britain about not getting anything for finishing top after the weekly rounds.

[uFinal positions for the SL are determined by the play-offs[/u, with the champions determined by the Grand Final.

I think you are getting confused with the last time you topped the league in the 70s. The only credit you get is the club call which you will lose if you get turned over on friday. Anyway whats all this about, making plans for World Club Challenge 2012. Now you see why we come onto your forum and have a laugh at your expense.

But that's not true. They are the Super League Champions. Playoffs is not a League.

Ban these deluded fools off our forum!

I knew it didn't mean as much as the other 2 comps.

But this thread is a farce yet being on here I am not shocked

Can't agree with you there pal. The 'Super League' is comprised of the 27 rounds, play-offs and grand final. The winner of this is the winner of 'Super League'.

Deluded????......Coming from somebody naming themselves after the Wigan branch of Tesco..... isn't that ironic??

We will have to agree to disagree then.



League Leaders after 27 rounds should qualify automatically for the GF, but with the current format it would mean a 3 week break and wouldn't be beneficial. That's another debate for another time though!

That really is arguing semantics. The point I made stands since the regular league season doesn't just determine play-off order, it determines the recipient of the LLS. If some people don't consider that "winning" anything that is their prerogative but I disagree.

On another note, how has a thread about our attendance descended into this?

Mmmm. Pot, kettle springs to mind with you (apologies Wigan Mods and all decent Wigan fans). Does anyone remember when SL first started there weren't any play-offs, the season just finished after the weekly rounds and the side finishing first were the Champions? The play-offs were brought in to provide an end of season comp (similar to top 8, 4, 16 and all the other variations we had prior to SL). As a result we now have three trophies, The CC, the League Leaders Plate, and the SLGF Winners Trophy. Being top after 27 games gains you a trophy AND gives you the pole position for the play-offs, so it can be viewed as both a competition in itself and a qualifying competition for the play-offs.

They are not Super League Champions as that is determined by the GF, but they have won the league (small l) element of Super League (big L).