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| Quote ="DaveO"Why would Wigan be in the news due to this film?
You said millions would see it. The population of Wales is 3 million. One and the same thing surely? Or di you only mean 2 million
You can't just say "This WILL raise the profile of Wigan RL, lots of people will hear about us through this." without saying WHY it will raise our profile and seem be under the misapprehension Wigan RL is unknown in Wales. Far from it.
Why? Does the fact J Davies played for Widnes and Wire increase their chances? Davies is on the BBC all the time commentating on RL and the CC in RL. He's national figure. Young RU players will want to play for RU sides these days because there is more money in it. Thomas film will show him as a great RU player so it stands far more chance of inspiring them to play RU than RL. It's his game and it's their game. He is not a Billy Boston type figure or a J Davies figure who had a great RL career. He is an ex-RU player who will most likely have spent a year in the reserves at Wigan.
That is a totally different kettle of fish. Welsh former RU star going to help set up Welsh RL club at age 35 having just retired from RU is a heck of a lot more relevant to Wales than the same player two years down the line signing to play in Wigan reserves is to Wigan.
If that is why we have signed him it will backfire. Everyone will see it for what it is - a PR exercise with no substance behind it. There has to be something positive on the playing front for there to anything positive to be gained as having him as a player PR wise. If he is poor or is not played there won't be any positive PR to be had. If we sign him as a coach I think I'd be gobsmacked.
Too late and if calling a spade is spade is being predictable then guilty as charged.'"
OMG Dave and my Missus says I'm boring....
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| Quote ="Omar Little"As for these suggestions he won't cost Wigan anything...where's that come from? Can't see the other SL clubs being too happy if the current champions and cup holders and one of the wealthiest clubs is suddenly allowed to operate under different salary cap rules'"
THIS.
Whatever the outcome, the RFL =#800000MUST be completely transparent and publish a press statement regarding the full facts behind his contract / payment details and the reasons behind him being offered to Wigan because if what I have heard is true then it makes a mockery of the "Spirit of the Salary Cap".
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Where?
Examples please........thought not.
A few panicking Wiganers who think we've signed this guy as our first choice centre for the next 5 years and some Wire trolls don't count.'"
You're right i can't, but everyone in RL is laughing at you
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"You're right i can't, but everyone in RL is laughing at you'"
unfortunately we can't hear them over celebrating all the trophies we're winning these days
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| Quote ="Bill Sonny"unfortunately we can't hear them over celebrating all the trophies we're winning these days'"
Whoah! Hang on....we missed out on the Carnegie Nines this year don't you know.
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| Quote ="DaveO"Wrong question. What will we gain is the question that should always be asked when signing a player.
You are overstating the criticism of these players in this position by a long way. For example Joel may really be a 2nd row but he is so far ahead of Thomas as a centre I simply cannot believe you have written the above in all seriousness. You are making them out to be thought of as far worse than they are to justify this signing. That is very poor IMO.
That is a happy clapper statement if ever I saw one. Why? Because you are prepared to cast a current Wigan player in a negative light so you don't have to say anything negative about Wigan signing Thomas.
And what has any of that got to do with Wigan signing a 37 year old not-very-good player anyway?'"
I'm not criticising Joel or Goulding. I rate them highly and I think they are better than Gareth Thomas. I'm saying they have come in for plenty of criticism by plenty of fans and adding another option isn't a bad thing. It might not make a shred of difference, he might not even play, but at least there's another viable option available FOR FREE!
And then you criticise me for being a happy clapper? I'm putting forward my opinion of Marsh to point out that we have very little cover and that I don't think Marsh is the answer because he hasn't shown much to suggest he could make it. That's not to justify the signing of Thomas, it's to point out that either way there's not much competition and Marsh would probably benefit from regular rugby next year on loan, so more cover would in fact be a good thing.
At the very least he's providing possible cover for absolutely no cost whatsoever. However, as far as being a happy clapper, I'm fairly ambivalent I just don't understand some of the OTT outrage at this signing.
Please feel free to misinterpret this post too and make some other stupid ramblings given that you did so well with the last post.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"You're right i can't, but everyone in RL is laughing at you'"
And when have we give a damn what anyone outside the club think about us. the rest of you mean nothing and there opinion mean nothing to us..i thought we made this clear in the late 80's ?
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| Looking at the bigger picture (after everything I said) ATEOTD it wont do any harm to the club IF its true that he is 'free'. So...........whatever, welcome to Wigan Gareth.
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| Where does the information that G Thomas would be free to us, come from, at the moment the club have yet to make a statement. Are people in the know or are they just assuming that because the Crusaders had his wages paid, then the same will apply to us.The reason the RFL paid his wages was simply to help the Welsh club to become established, it does not follow that they would do the same for us or anyone else, lets face it , how many extra bums would he put on seats, he would more likely lose us some instead as the whole thing just stinks.
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| I think that this film is going to either end up in development hell or if it does get produced then it could be a critical and commercial flop.
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| its a farce, hes simply not good enough for Wigan.
and be honest, if it wasnt for his well publicised sexuality issues most of us would never have heard of him, because his Rugby League achievements are non existent
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"its a farce, hes simply not good enough for Wigan.
and be honest, if it wasnt for his well publicised sexuality issues most of us would never have heard of him, because his Rugby League achievements are non existent'"
And only an idiot would not acknowledge that he is the most capped Welsh RU player EVER.
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| Quote ="cadoo"Of course, what I'm suggesting is pure speculation and will be speculation unless Ian Lenagan comes out and publically confirms it himself, but I will way up the evidence and support my claims if challenged. Ian Lenagan has done an unbelievable job at Wigan, but he isn't immune to criticism or fault and his judgement on the [irare occasion[/i has been questionable. An example would his comment regarding Karl Pryce being world-class at a fan's forum. He does have my trust though, but I will still speculate and pass an opinion.
Whoever the coach of Wigan RL is (or any club) they will have little to no interest in the publicity a signing may bring (which is the fulcrum of everybody's defence in signing Gareth Thomas). It is the results on the field they are judged on and their jobs are on the line when it comes down to performance. Naturally it is this coaches will have in mind when recruiting a player. I'll not spell out our achievements, we're the best team in Super League at the moment. Ian Lenagan and Mike Maguire have a policy now of top draw signings. If we can't find anyone - we wont bother. Proved by the fact we just signed Paul Deacon in Maguire's first year and then the quality with the Melbourne trio the second year. Gareth Thomas is not top quality. He is 37 - going on 38 in July. Rogues said something earlier in the thread about the euphoria signing Paul Deacon made. The difference being Paul Deacon had played over 300 appearances for a three-time Grand Final winning and WCC Bradford side. Set a new club record for points scored, got in Bradford's team of the century, had over a decade of RL experience and had played for Great Britain on numerous occasions. Gareth Thomas' achievements in Rugby Union are commendable, but are near enough irrelevant when it comes to Rugby League. He has had one year of RL experience at Super League's basement club and has been average. He's had his odd moment, but overall has been exposed in defence on the few occasions I have seen him on tv. He is certainly not up to Wigan RL standard playing wise. No-one on this board has argued otherwise in fairness. So with this in mind, why would any [icoach[/i sign him? Why would Mike Maguire turn around and say, "Look Ian, I want Gareth Thomas at Wigan next year?" In terms of playing ability what would he bring to the side? Sure he has a presence and the respect of players, but you make a signing to play not to be a cheerleader. It's obvious this is an Ian Lenagan signing. Everybody bleats on about the publicity - Madge/Wane don't give a stuff. They care about performance - it's their job. I repeat - anyone who thinks this isn't an Ian Lenagan signing is being very naive. And the fact that Ian Lenagan [imight have [/i(see what I did there) made this signing makes me very uncomfortable.'"
If we'd signed him and were proclaiming him the next big thing, I'd share your concern.
As things are - and bear in mind we haven't had any kind of official announcement or explanation from Wigan yet, so none of us can really judge - I feel there has to be more to this than meets the eye.
It seems highly possible to me that IL's recent comments about wanting to tap RU are connected to it.
If IL had made mistake after mistake during his tenure, then I could believe that he'd sign a 37-year-old for his playing skills and expect us all to celebrate, but he hasn't - the only thing anyone can find to hold against him is the Karl Pryce comment. Has he suddenly gone stupid overnight? I find that hard to believe.
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| Quote ="jaxx"Where does the information that G Thomas would be free to us, come from, at the moment the club have yet to make a statement. Are people in the know or are they just assuming that because the Crusaders had his wages paid, then the same will apply to us.quote
His 'contract' was/is being paid by the RL, and was agreed for 2 years. He has 12 months left on the contract, there is no signing on or transfer fee, therefore he is indeed 'free'.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"And only an idiot would not acknowledge that he is the most capped Welsh RU player EVER.'"
is he?
ive no idea, i dont follow what goes on in union.
his League records not very good , is it?
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"is he?
ive no idea, i dont follow what goes on in union.
=#FF0000his League records not very good , is it?'"
you tell me.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"you tell me.'"
as far as i know he has won NOTHING
hes played in a poor team, and not even been a stand out player.......thats good enough for me to form an opinion that hes not good enough for Wigan.
he may have been brilliant at union, but you cant make the transformation in your mid thirties
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"You're right i can't, but everyone in RL is laughing at you'"
Probably the same ts, neanderthals and knuckle-draggers who:
1. are the same people with a Sam Tomkins obsession.
2. are jealous of Wigan winning again, if they ever got over Wigan winning things years ago.
3. whose knowledge of RL and the commercial realities associated with it are gleaned exclusively from the letters page of League Express.
i.e. they're the last people we give a damn what they think, and even then we don't care.
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"as far as i know he has won NOTHING
hes played in a poor team, and not even been a stand out player.......thats good enough for me to form an opinion that hes not good enough for Wigan.
he may have been brilliant at union, but you cant make the transformation in your mid thirties'"
You are missing the plot.
He will be signed as cover for players. IF and ONLY IF he performs will he get into the team. Then it's up to the likes of Marsh and Goulding to challenge him for that position.
The publicity for the move will be fantastic for the Wigan.
Where are the negatives?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"You are missing the plot.
He will be signed as cover for players. IF and ONLY IF he performs will he get into the team. Then it's up to the likes of Marsh and Goulding to challenge him for that position.
The publicity for the move will be fantastic for the Wigan.
Where are the negatives?'"
a major negative is age.
but looking at it like that, he could (could?) be an asset, if we have no more youngsters coming through yet who can push Marsh and Goulding (which i think you may have mentioned if we had).
he could also cover 2nd row if we dont get a replacement for Hoff , and leave Joel in the centre.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"You are missing the plot.
He will be signed as cover for players. IF and ONLY IF he performs will he get into the team. Then it's up to the likes of Marsh and Goulding to challenge him for that position.
The publicity for the move will be fantastic for the Wigan.
=#FF0000Where are the negatives?'"
DaveO will do his miserable best to tell you.
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"Probably the same ts, neanderthals and knuckle-draggers who:
1. are the same people with a Sam Tomkins obsession.
2. are jealous of Wigan winning again, if they ever got over Wigan winning things years ago.
3. whose knowledge of RL and the commercial realities associated with it are gleaned exclusively from the letters page of League Express.
i.e. they're the last people we give a damn what they think, and even then we don't care.'"
Speaking of the league express did anyone read the letter from a very knowledgeable RL fan claiming wigan only had 4 academy players in there 17 at wembley.. you seriously couldn't make it up with some of the freaks that follow this sport.
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"Speaking of the league express did anyone read the letter from a very knowledgeable RL fan claiming wigan only had 4 academy players in there 17 at wembley..
you seriously couldn't make it up with some of the freaks that follow this sport.'"
any advance on 8 ?
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| Just a thought, but could Wigan be looking at teaching him some of the coaching side of things, to give a future Wales/GB head coach who people have heard of to raise the profile?
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"any advance on 8 ?'"
I count 9 playing
Sam
charnley
joel
hansen
lockers
mossop
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