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| Quote ="St pete"What a prop he was though! Pure class, it's a shame he didn't continue his form from a england point of view. I wasn't his greatest fan of the him as a person until i saw few interviews he did the other year about his very poor form, he was so honest about how he was playing and couldn't put the finger on why, his honsty made me think a lot more of him.
What do you guys think the reason he couldn't play as he did at bulls?'"
I think losing his mum had a massive impact, coupled with a total change of environment and apart from that first half season, a big lack of help in the pack around him.
Coley has been great this year to and I really think that's helped Stu as well.
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"I can't believe anyone would keep Fielden over Coley? What does Coley have to do to prove how good he is.
He honestly beats Fielden in every aspect of the game imo.'"
They have been extremely comparable and complimentary this season, and tbh i'd keep both of them on the right deals for next season.
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| Quote ="Steve Ella's Beard"They have been extremely comparable and complimentary this season, and tbh i'd keep both of them [uon the right deal[/us for next season.'"
I think this will be the key, but I suspect the power will be in our corner when it comes to negotiations.
Stu knows he'll get nothing like the deal he got from Maurice anywhere in the competition now and, given that he seems to be a guy who likes to be settled, it may be the easiest thing for him to take the inevitable pay-cut and stay with us.
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| 31 for a prop is nothing..easily 2-3 years left in Coley
so get him signed up i say.
as for Stu we all know its his wage thats the problem..stu himself knows he wont make that again anywhere..so no reason why he wont sign a new deal with us.
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"I can't believe anyone would keep Fielden over Coley? What does Coley have to do to prove how good he is.
He honestly beats Fielden in every aspect of the game imo.'"
i cant agree with you on this. coley is having a massive season, better than hes ever played throughout his career but is he over performing. can a player continue to over perform year in year out.
when fielden is off the field it is noticable just through his sheer defensive workrate. we are a much more vunerable team when he is on the bench. Coley is a solid prop, and i really rate him this year but to say coley beats him in every department is rubbish. for me they have both earned a new deal but Fielden is the backbone of our pack and we are a much weaker side without him, more so than coley.
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| When Fielden was at his best he had Joe Vagana, Brian McDermott & Paul Anderson alongside. All 6'5" and around 17-18st. They also had Richard Moore & Rob Parker as back up.
If Wigan had three other props 6'5" and 17st I'm sure Fielden would have played a whole lot better. Wigan hadn't and he didn't!
We have four props Fielden, Feka, Prescott & O'Carroll. If MM wants to bring in an overseas prop bearing in mind salary and quota/kolpac restrictions who is most vulnerable? Not Fielden me thinks!
I do think Fielden & Coley will stay as well as Prescott. O'Carroll is OOC 2011.
Pity but if MM wants players more suited to his style then someone will make way.
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| I dont understand why anybody is talking about letting Fielden or Coley leave. We are playing the best we have done for ages and these two have played almost every game. It makes no sense whatsoever
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| Quote ="Steve Ella's Beard"=#FF4000:1ijedww5I think losing his mum had a massive impact, coupled with a total change of environment and apart from that first half season, a big lack of help in the pack around him.
I read somewhere that Fielden was also primary carer for his disabled father. How hard must that have been when his mum was dying of cancer?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I read somewhere that Fielden was also primary carer for his disabled father. How hard must that have been when his mum was dying of cancer?'"
A saints fan wrote that on here somewhere but I think it got cleared up that he was confusing him with burgess.
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| Quote ="Wandering Warrior"I dont understand why anybody is talking about letting Fielden or Coley leave. We are playing the best we have done for ages and these two have played almost every game. It makes no sense whatsoever
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Because there's a chance we can improve? Not hard to understand is it?
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| Quote ="lothlorian"i cant agree with you on this. coley is having a massive season, better than hes ever played throughout his career but is he over performing. can a player continue to over perform year in year out.'"
Coley had a very good season last year as well, many on here putting it down to playing for a new contract, now proved to be an unfair comment. If he is "overperforming" as you put it he seems to be able to do it for at least one and a half seasons!
I don't imagine he'll stop overperforming for a while yet.
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| Quote ="CAM."Because there's a chance we can improve? Not hard to understand is it?'"
whats with the tone of your relpy?? At the moment we will find it hard to improve on Fielden and Coley as both performing well. If its not broken dont try and fix it. Areas of improvement might be around Feka's role as Im afraid he is a bit too much of a luxury in the pack currently.
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| Quote ="talulah"Coley had a very good season last year as well, many on here putting it down to playing for a new contract, now proved to be an unfair comment. If he is "overperforming" as you put it he seems to be able to do it for at least one and a half seasons!
I don't imagine he'll stop overperforming for a while yet.'"
good comment - funny how we dont mention Fielden playing well for a new contract this year when Coley was slated over this last year. I personally dont care what motivates the players to perform as long as they are performing. Long may it continue and untill it stops I dont think we should be in a rush to off load either player.
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Stuart Fielden has done a good job so far this season. He has improved as his team mates around him have improved. However, I don't think he is worth signing on and is a player I think we can improve on.
People really rate Stuart's defensive work-rate, but Coley's is actually better:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010
Coley (who has played one less game) has made more tackles and more marker tackles. Not only does Coley work harder in defence, he also hits much harder in defence. His defence against Huddersfield was brutal, putting in some massive shots. When was the last time Stu put in a big hit? Going forward there isn't much to choose between them, Stuart has made slightly more metres and carries, but he has also played an extra game. Coley seems to be a key part of this captains team and is rumoured to be very popular with his team mates. I bet he is on a considerably less wage than Fielden too.
We need to strengthen the pack. So one of Coley, Fielden and Feka must go. For me it's Fielden that needs to be replaced. Andy Coley has improved each season and is the better player for me & is a more valuable asset to the team. Even with Fielden on reduced terms you're still going to get the same player. We need to improve on Stuart. So if it was up to me, he would be the one to go and I would extend Andy's contract for another year with an option for a second in the clubs favour. This gives us chance to weigh up how Prescott, O'carroll and Davies are developing & how Gareth Hock and Lee Mossop fit into the squad.
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Stuart Fielden has done a good job so far this season. He has improved as his team mates around him have improved. However, I don't think he is worth signing on and is a player I think we can improve on.
People really rate Stuart's defensive work-rate, but Coley's is actually better:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010
Coley (who has played one less game) has made more tackles and more marker tackles. Not only does Coley work harder in defence, he also hits much harder in defence. His defence against Huddersfield was brutal, putting in some massive shots. When was the last time Stu put in a big hit? Going forward there isn't much to choose between them, Stuart has made slightly more metres and carries, but he has also played an extra game. Coley seems to be a key part of this captains team and is rumoured to be very popular with his team mates. I bet he is on a considerably less wage than Fielden too.
We need to strengthen the pack. So one of Coley, Fielden and Feka must go. For me it's Fielden that needs to be replaced. Andy Coley has improved each season and is the better player for me & is a more valuable asset to the team. Even with Fielden on reduced terms you're still going to get the same player. We need to improve on Stuart. So if it was up to me, he would be the one to go and I would extend Andy's contract for another year with an option for a second in the clubs favour. This gives us chance to weigh up how Prescott, O'carroll and Davies are developing & how Gareth Hock and Lee Mossop fit into the squad.
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Quote ="cadoo"Stuart Fielden has done a good job so far this season. He has improved as his team mates around him have improved. However, I don't think he is worth signing on and is a player I think we can improve on.
People really rate Stuart's defensive work-rate, but Coley's is actually better:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010
Coley (who has played one less game) has made more tackles and more marker tackles. Not only does Coley work harder in defence, he also hits much harder in defence. His defence against Huddersfield was brutal, putting in some massive shots. When was the last time Stu put in a big hit? Going forward there isn't much to choose between them, Stuart has made slightly more metres and carries, but he has also played an extra game. Coley seems to be a key part of this captains team and is rumoured to be very popular with his team mates. I bet he is on a considerably less wage than Fielden too.
We need to strengthen the pack. So one of Coley, Fielden and Feka must go. For me it's Fielden that needs to be replaced. Andy Coley has improved each season and is the better player for me & is a more valuable asset to the team. Even with Fielden on reduced terms you're still going to get the same player. We need to improve on Stuart. So if it was up to me, he would be the one to go and I would extend Andy's contract for another year with an option for a second in the clubs favour. This gives us chance to weigh up how Prescott, O'carroll and Davies are developing & how Gareth Hock and Lee Mossop fit into the squad.'"
Why should Feka not go? If we are going on stats then Fielden's are far better across the board. If Fielden is willing to take a large paycut then im happy for him to stay
Coley should stay thats for sure, last week was one of his best games in a Wigan shirt. He seems to get better with every game this season
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Quote ="cadoo"Stuart Fielden has done a good job so far this season. He has improved as his team mates around him have improved. However, I don't think he is worth signing on and is a player I think we can improve on.
People really rate Stuart's defensive work-rate, but Coley's is actually better:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010
Coley (who has played one less game) has made more tackles and more marker tackles. Not only does Coley work harder in defence, he also hits much harder in defence. His defence against Huddersfield was brutal, putting in some massive shots. When was the last time Stu put in a big hit? Going forward there isn't much to choose between them, Stuart has made slightly more metres and carries, but he has also played an extra game. Coley seems to be a key part of this captains team and is rumoured to be very popular with his team mates. I bet he is on a considerably less wage than Fielden too.
We need to strengthen the pack. So one of Coley, Fielden and Feka must go. For me it's Fielden that needs to be replaced. Andy Coley has improved each season and is the better player for me & is a more valuable asset to the team. Even with Fielden on reduced terms you're still going to get the same player. We need to improve on Stuart. So if it was up to me, he would be the one to go and I would extend Andy's contract for another year with an option for a second in the clubs favour. This gives us chance to weigh up how Prescott, O'carroll and Davies are developing & how Gareth Hock and Lee Mossop fit into the squad.'"
Why should Feka not go? If we are going on stats then Fielden's are far better across the board. If Fielden is willing to take a large paycut then im happy for him to stay
Coley should stay thats for sure, last week was one of his best games in a Wigan shirt. He seems to get better with every game this season
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Quote ="cadoo"Stuart Fielden has done a good job so far this season. He has improved as his team mates around him have improved. However, I don't think he is worth signing on and is a player I think we can improve on.
People really rate Stuart's defensive work-rate, but Coley's is actually better:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010
Coley (who has played one less game) has made more tackles and more marker tackles. Not only does Coley work harder in defence, he also hits much harder in defence. His defence against Huddersfield was brutal, putting in some massive shots. When was the last time Stu put in a big hit? Going forward there isn't much to choose between them, Stuart has made slightly more metres and carries, but he has also played an extra game. Coley seems to be a key part of this captains team and is rumoured to be very popular with his team mates. I bet he is on a considerably less wage than Fielden too.
We need to strengthen the pack. So one of Coley, Fielden and Feka must go. For me it's Fielden that needs to be replaced. Andy Coley has improved each season and is the better player for me & is a more valuable asset to the team. Even with Fielden on reduced terms you're still going to get the same player. We need to improve on Stuart. So if it was up to me, he would be the one to go and I would extend Andy's contract for another year with an option for a second in the clubs favour. This gives us chance to weigh up how Prescott, O'carroll and Davies are developing & how Gareth Hock and Lee Mossop fit into the squad.'"
Well for me it's Feka i'm afraid. Yes he offers us something different, but personally that something different isn't what I actually want, what I actually want is more of the same we get from Coley+Fielden in the other 2 props (not criticising Barrell, I think he's been performing well)
I'm also unsure still currently as to the availability (and realistically their desire to play here) of a prop that I'd feel offered a genuine improvement.
We all have different views on what we want from a squad, and i'm very firmly in the 2+2 camp when running 4 forwards (40 - 45 minute props) unless I could get a genuine high standard 60 minute+ prop (there are only a tiny amount of these in RL).
I also really agree with something that Clifford posted, in that I don't think it's an area we're underperforming in, so I wouldn't make a change unless it was for somebody very special.
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Quote ="cadoo"Stuart Fielden has done a good job so far this season. He has improved as his team mates around him have improved. However, I don't think he is worth signing on and is a player I think we can improve on.
People really rate Stuart's defensive work-rate, but Coley's is actually better:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010
Coley (who has played one less game) has made more tackles and more marker tackles. Not only does Coley work harder in defence, he also hits much harder in defence. His defence against Huddersfield was brutal, putting in some massive shots. When was the last time Stu put in a big hit? Going forward there isn't much to choose between them, Stuart has made slightly more metres and carries, but he has also played an extra game. Coley seems to be a key part of this captains team and is rumoured to be very popular with his team mates. I bet he is on a considerably less wage than Fielden too.
We need to strengthen the pack. So one of Coley, Fielden and Feka must go. For me it's Fielden that needs to be replaced. Andy Coley has improved each season and is the better player for me & is a more valuable asset to the team. Even with Fielden on reduced terms you're still going to get the same player. We need to improve on Stuart. So if it was up to me, he would be the one to go and I would extend Andy's contract for another year with an option for a second in the clubs favour. This gives us chance to weigh up how Prescott, O'carroll and Davies are developing & how Gareth Hock and Lee Mossop fit into the squad.'"
Well for me it's Feka i'm afraid. Yes he offers us something different, but personally that something different isn't what I actually want, what I actually want is more of the same we get from Coley+Fielden in the other 2 props (not criticising Barrell, I think he's been performing well)
I'm also unsure still currently as to the availability (and realistically their desire to play here) of a prop that I'd feel offered a genuine improvement.
We all have different views on what we want from a squad, and i'm very firmly in the 2+2 camp when running 4 forwards (40 - 45 minute props) unless I could get a genuine high standard 60 minute+ prop (there are only a tiny amount of these in RL).
I also really agree with something that Clifford posted, in that I don't think it's an area we're underperforming in, so I wouldn't make a change unless it was for somebody very special.
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| Quote ="shambawangy"Why should Feka not go? If we are going on stats then Fielden's are far better across the board. If Fielden is willing to take a large paycut then im happy for him to stay
Coley should stay thats for sure, last week was one of his best games in a Wigan shirt. He seems to get better with every game this season'"
I agree with you. Perhaps Feka might have to be the one to make way. I was backing up Andy Coley over Fielden as that seemed to be the debate between people. However what happens to Feka is still in his hands and the situation might very well change by the end of the season.
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| Quote ="cadoo"I agree with you. Perhaps Feka might have to be the one to make way. I was backing up Andy Coley over Fielden as that seemed to be the debate between people. However what happens to Feka is still in his hands and the situation might very well change by the end of the season.'"
Feka can go for me. Get a new nasty prop in who can do the big hits in defence and make good metres. Leave the impact players to the 2nd rowers, if we get Hock/Mossop/A.N.Other to become a Puletua-esque player, then they and Joel Tomkins can provide enough of a spark from the 2nd row.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"I have a feeling we can only keep one of Coley and Fielden. I know who I would choose. Fielden has been great this season but Coley has gone that extra mile.'"
Both been very average players over the last few years. What maguire has done with them is nothing short of geniuse!
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"Both been very average players over the last few years. What maguire has done with them is nothing short of geniuse!'"
Actually Coley has been good for pretty much his whole time with us. Stu has blown a little more hot and cold but was decent last season and better this. I take your point regarding their improvement under Maguire though. Having said that, much the same could be said for most, if not all, of the squad!
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| Imo, if the right prop is available to sign, then it will be Feka who makes way, he doesnt seem to be Maguires type of player. But like i said it depends on available players and wage demands
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| I love Feka but don't hink Madge will keep him next year. I'd be happy for Fielden to go based on his wages and overall performances as we could get 2 players in more than likely for what he's on. I'd like to see how players like Crabtree and Scarsbrook would do under Madge
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I don't know, I'm beginning to think Fekas definitely growing on Madge, his attitude has got to be right to keep getting back after being dropped. As for Fielden and Coley, I'd rather keep the both of them, as well as next year having Ben Davies back as their experience will be second to none and help learn all of the younger players that no doubt will be getting a few first team appearances next year
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