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| Quote ="Father Ted"Myler played two games againts us and was average at best.
He played for England and was brilliant.
The difference perhaps that the Salford pack was well beaten and the England pack steamrollered the French forwards.
The first job is to get a pack that will dominate and win games up front. When we have a pack who can do that then we can talk about half backs to bring in. Until then go with what we've got as the pack and prop forwards are the priority.
This has been the case now for 3 seasons plus, so where are they?
Fielden in 2006, Coley 2008 and that's it.
Everything come from the power of the front row. Fans know it, Noble knows it but IL doesn't appear to.
Until IL resolves the prop problem we are going nowhere except backwards.'"
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Myler played two games againts us and was average at best.
He played for England and was brilliant.
The difference perhaps that the Salford pack was well beaten and the England pack steamrollered the French forwards.
The first job is to get a pack that will dominate and win games up front. When we have a pack who can do that then we can talk about half backs to bring in. Until then go with what we've got as the pack and prop forwards are the priority.
This has been the case now for 3 seasons plus, so where are they?
Fielden in 2006, Coley 2008 and that's it.
Everything come from the power of the front row. Fans know it, Noble knows it but IL doesn't appear to.
Until IL resolves the prop problem we are going nowhere except backwards.'"
*cough*Barrett*cough*
World class is world class. The pack isn't everything, we just play a style that overuses our weak points (props, driving down the middle).
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| Quote ="Bovrick"*cough*Barrett*cough*
World class is world class. The pack isn't everything, we just play a style that overuses our weak points (props, driving down the middle).'"
Agree with both points to an extent.
We do need to strenghen the front row without doubt but to the point of ignoring a weakness at halfback? no imo.
We are weak upfront but if Lenagan decides to go out and get 2 class props and no halfback to guide us around the field we'll not achieve anything imo. We may go slightly better then this year but would just be papering over the cracks when it comes to our lack of an onfield general.
We need 1 class prop and 1 class organising halfback imo aswell as a coach that will back form players.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Agree with both points to an extent.
We do need to strenghen the front row without doubt but to the point of ignoring a weakness at halfback? no imo.
We are weak upfront but if Lenagan decides to go out and get 2 class props and no halfback to guide us around the field we'll not achieve anything imo. We may go slightly better then this year but would just be papering over the cracks when it comes to our lack of an onfield general.
We need 1 class prop and 1 class organising halfback imo aswell as a coach that will back form players.'"
Its a combination of both backs and forwards that make a team you can't just try and get a huge pack and then win by a few points we need both great backs and forwards, we are just failing at trying to get the balence.
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| Quote ="odemwingie"Its a combination of both backs and forwards that make a team you can't just try and get a huge pack and then win by a few points we need both great backs and forwards, we are just failing at trying to get the balence.'"
As bad as we are at the minute i think people know the playing staff isn't that far off in terms of quality of actually achieveing something. Maybe thats what makes this seasons form even more frustrating because it blatant it's an attitude problem thats holding us back.
For next season we must see-
A highly respected coach who can motivate a tempremental group of players
A quality halfback with a good kicking game
A quality prop who's a leader that the players will look up to
If we could get those 3 people we'll be a force to be reckoned with.
Over to Lenagan but i'm not holding my breath.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"As bad as we are at the minute i think people know the playing staff isn't that far off in terms of quality of actually achieveing something. Maybe thats what makes this seasons form even more frustrating because it blatant it's an attitude problem thats holding us back.
For next season we must see-
A highly respected coach who can motivate a tempremental group of players
A quality halfback with a good kicking game
A quality prop who's a leader that the players will look up to
If we could get those 3 people we'll be a force to be reckoned with.
Over to Lenagan but i'm not holding my breath.'"
Agreed
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| How come on these threads we all just keep repeating ourselves? We need a coach, halfback and a prop forward. Pretty much everyone is agreed. Lock thread.
Simples
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| Quote ="cadoo"How come on these threads we all just keep repeating ourselves? We need a coach, halfback and a prop forward. Pretty much everyone is agreed. Lock thread.
Simples'"
Yep! now the thread will repeat itself again with who we should or shouldn't bring in in those key areas.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"As bad as we are at the minute i think people know the playing staff isn't that far off in terms of quality of actually achieveing something. Maybe thats what makes this seasons form even more frustrating because it blatant it's an attitude problem thats holding us back.
For next season we must see-
A highly respected coach who can motivate a tempremental group of players
A quality halfback with a good kicking game
A quality prop who's a leader that the players will look up to
If we could get those 3 people we'll be a force to be reckoned with.
Over to Lenagan but i'm not holding my breath.'"
Spot on, but who for every position? Let the thread continue.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"As bad as we are at the minute i think people know the playing staff isn't that far off in terms of quality of actually achieveing something. Maybe thats what makes this seasons form even more frustrating because it blatant it's an attitude problem thats holding us back.
For next season we must see-
A highly respected coach who can motivate a tempremental group of players - Shaun Edwards / Andy Farrell
A quality halfback with a good kicking game - Thomas Leuluai with one on one mentoring from Andrew Johns to improve his game, what's the point in playing him at 9 because he isn't good enough for 7. Lets coach him into a good player eh? Isn't that what coaches do?
A quality prop who's a leader that the players will look up to - Adrian Morley plus LMS Plus Eamon O'Carroll will be back in a few weeks and next year he will be great.
If we could get those 3 people we'll be a force to be reckoned with.
Over to Lenagan but i'm not holding my breath.'"
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"
For next season we must see-
A highly respected coach who can motivate a tempremental group of players
A quality halfback with a good kicking game
A quality prop who's a leader that the players will look up to
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1. Justin Morgan - Pay big!!
2. Finch/Orford IMO
3. Nathan Cayless, make him captain aswell
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Do you have any sort of reason to believe we'd be in with a shout of signing LMS or Morley or are they just at the top of your personal wishlist?
I'd also love the pair of them but i reckon theres more chance of me winning the lottery then either of those 2 being here next year!
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Do you have any sort of reason to believe we'd be in with a shout of signing LMS or Morley or are they just at the top of your personal wishlist?
I'd also love the pair of them but i reckon theres more chance of me winning the lottery then either of those 2 being here next year!'"
Perhaps if you win the lottery, you might chip in a little bit of dosh to get them both here, as well as Thurston of course.
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Perhaps if you win the lottery, you might chip in a little bit of dosh to get them both here, as well as Thurston of course.'"
I'll personally drop a couple of brown envelopes off at LMS and Morley's doors myself................oh and Thurston's door when i'm on my 6 week holiday taking in the last 2 Origin games
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| Tim Smith strongly linked to New Zealand Warriors
he's also linked to Manly, Canberra, Gold Coast & Storms
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| Who do we sign?
Props wise, the likes of L. Burgess, N. Cayless and C. Webb are on our hit list, others that have been mentioned are simply paper talk, W. Mason and all them for examples.
6/7, out signings look like number one priority to us, would have be D. Lockyer, yes he’s a 6, the guy could play 6 or 7.
M. Orford comes in at a close 2nd, proven winner, great attitude to the sport, great kicking and passing game, proven the ability of playing under pressure. But I do feel he will stay in NRL. If not one of us (Wigan/Bradford will sign him)
B. Finch, he could bring alot to our squad, but I see him as a trouble making player, walking away from his old club, due to the drink restriction requirements, would he work with us, big risk.
What I'd love to see is
1 - Phelps
2 - Roberts
3 - Gleeson
4 - Carmont
5 - Richards
6 - Lockyer
7 - S. Tomkins
8 - New Prop ( N.Cayless) Captain
9 - Riddell
10 - Fielden
11 - Hock
12 - O'Loughlin
13 - J. Tomkins
Bench
Impact Bench
14 - Feka
15 - Tommy
16 - New Prop (L. Burgess)
17 - Mossop
* Quota players
But what I think we'll see is
1 - Phelps
2 - Roberts
3 - Gleeson
4 - Carmont
5 - Richards
6 - S. Tomkins
7 - Tommy
8 - Fielden
9 - Riddell
10 - New Prop (C. Webb)
11 - Hock
12 - J. Tomkins
13 - O'Loughlin
Bench
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15 - Macca
16 - O'Carroll
17 - Hansen
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| Quote ="The Sneak"Who do we sign?
Props wise, the likes of L. Burgess, N. Cayless and C. Webb are on our hit list, others that have been mentioned are simply paper talk, W. Mason and all them for examples.
6/7, out signings look like number one priority to us, would have be D. Lockyer, yes he’s a 6, the guy could play 6 or 7.
M. Orford comes in at a close 2nd, proven winner, great attitude to the sport, great kicking and passing game, proven the ability of playing under pressure. But I do feel he will stay in NRL. If not one of us (Wigan/Bradford will sign him)
B. Finch, he could bring alot to our squad, but I see him as a trouble making player, walking away from his old club, due to the drink restriction requirements, would he work with us, big risk.
What I'd love to see is
1 - Phelps
2 - Roberts
3 - Gleeson
4 - Carmont
5 - Richards
6 - Lockyer
7 - S. Tomkins
8 - New Prop (N.Cayless) Captain
9 - Riddell
10 - Fielden
11 - Hock
12 - O'Loughlin
13 - J. Tomkins
Bench
Impact Bench
14 - Feka
15 - Tommy
16 - New Prop (L. Burgess)
17 - Mossop
* Quota players
But what I think we'll see is
1 - Phelps
2 - Roberts
3 - Gleeson
4 - Carmont
5 - Richards
6 - S. Tomkins
7 - Tommy
8 - Fielden
9 - Riddell
10 - New Prop (C. Webb)
11 - Hock
12 - J. Tomkins
13 - O'Loughlin
Bench
14 - Feka
15 - Macca
16 - O'Carroll
17 - Hansen
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Think you better change your number 11. looking at the post that was removed within seconds of it being posted.
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| Quote ="Lippy"Think you better change your number 11. looking at the post that was removed within seconds of it being posted.'"
Until it's proven please F UCK off with that subject to your own site
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| Quote ="The Sneak"Until it's proven please F UCK off with that subject to your own site'"
LOL, i am on my own site. I said your to you, you being the person that posted, not your as your club. Not that hard to understand is it?
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| Quote ="The Sneak"Who do we sign?
Props wise, the likes of L. Burgess, N. Cayless and C. Webb are on our hit list, others that have been mentioned are simply paper talk, W. Mason and all them for examples.
6/7, out signings look like number one priority to us, would have be D. Lockyer, yes he’s a 6, the guy could play 6 or 7.
M. Orford comes in at a close 2nd, proven winner, great attitude to the sport, great kicking and passing game, proven the ability of playing under pressure. But I do feel he will stay in NRL. If not one of us (Wigan/Bradford will sign him)
B. Finch, he could bring alot to our squad, but I see him as a trouble making player, walking away from his old club, due to the drink restriction requirements, would he work with us, big risk.
What I'd love to see is
1 - Phelps
2 - Roberts
3 - Gleeson
4 - Carmont
5 - Richards
6 - Lockyer
7 - S. Tomkins
8 - New Prop (N.Cayless) Captain
9 - Riddell
10 - Fielden
11 - Hock
12 - O'Loughlin
13 - J. Tomkins
Bench
Impact Bench
14 - Feka
15 - Tommy
16 - New Prop (L. Burgess)
17 - Mossop
* Quota players
But what I think we'll see is
1 - Phelps
2 - Roberts
3 - Gleeson
4 - Carmont
5 - Richards
6 - S. Tomkins
7 - Tommy
8 - Fielden
9 - Riddell
10 - New Prop (C. Webb)
11 - Hock
12 - J. Tomkins
13 - O'Loughlin
Bench
14 - Feka
15 - Macca
16 - O'Carroll
17 - Hansen
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Top team would be my choice, however one change I would make would be Roberts to FB and Ainscough on the wing.
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Top team would be my choice, however one change I would make would be Roberts to FB and Ainscough on the wing.'"
I was going through that in my head, Phelps going would make us a spare quota spot, we'll have to see how Ainscough develops over the rest of the season.
Gleeson would be a superb support player to Ainscough, but we'd have to get the ball out to him first
Also the team list, I think we may have a new GB centre on the left next year, IF Carmont continues with the leg injuries IMO
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| Quote ="The Sneak"I was going through that in my head, Phelps going would make us a spare quota spot, we'll have to see how Ainscough develops over the rest of the season.
Gleeson would be a superb support player to Ainscough, but we'd have to get the ball out to him first
Also the team list, I think we may have a new GB centre on the left next year, IF Carmont continues with the leg injuries IMO'"
Would agree with everything above, not really heard it mentioned on the forum but your right Carmont is certainly slowing down, whether that's down to age or injury I don't know, but a replacement for 2011 will be needed, Pryce perhaps.
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Would agree with everything above, not really heard it mentioned on the forum but your right Carmont is certainly slowing down, whether that's down to age or injury I don't know, but a replacement for 2011 will be needed, Pryce perhaps.'"
Pryce...... Hmmmmmmmmm as the talent to still become a top quality SL player, but his he willing to put the effort in and really up his game and effort??
At the minute, he'd be lucky to get a new contract come the end of the year. I believe there is a very talented centre at Castleford we could have, if we twisted his nipples with the right amount of £££, I could honestly not name a left centre, who would not want to play at the side of a second rower like Hock! He'd make any left centre look outstanding!
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Do you have any sort of reason to believe we'd be in with a shout of signing LMS or Morley or are they just at the top of your personal wishlist?
I'd also love the pair of them but i reckon theres more chance of me winning the lottery then either of those 2 being here next year!'"
If LMS has any ambition to further his career and play for the biggest name in Rugby League he will sign for us. The pros and cons are massivly in our favour if he weighed them up and Landan isn't that far away if he wanted to nip home often.
Money would talk with Morley, it would be his last deal and if Wire were to free some space under the cap for Myler as suggested we could chance their arm.
Just those two signings would do us with Andrew Johns coming in mentoring Sam Tomkins and Tommy Leuluai.
Johns would come over if the money was right also.
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| Quote ="post"If LMS has any ambition to further his career and play for the biggest name in Rugby League he will sign for us. The pros and cons are massivly in our favour if he weighed them up and Landan isn't that far away if he wanted to nip home often.
Money would talk with Morley, it would be his last deal and if Wire were to free some space under the cap for Myler as suggested we could chance their arm.
Just those two signings would do us with Andrew Johns coming in mentoring Sam Tomkins and Tommy Leuluai.
Johns would come over if the money was right also.'"
and wire have more, they would be mad to let him go.
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