Honestly mate I can't see why you'd get banned? A sensible debate with a Wire fan is a rarity on here and your more than welcome IMO

I'd certainly say the Ennis incident is far worse than Coley. A punch is always gonna be worse IMO

nothing farcical about the sending off, i heard the smack. over reaction I believe

I must admit I have enjoyed it! Definately my last word.

Did Thaler get mixed up tonight? thought it was just Wigan players who get sent off

He obviously reads our message board!

if coley's was a red (which it rightly was) then so was that. It looked bad live and I've just seen the reply on SSN and the forearm looked to be round the face, not even the neck. It just remains to be seen how many matches he gets. Two?

I've not seen s replay yet but he may get 1 game due to him being sent off and missing an hour of last nights game. Coley only missed 15 /20 mins.

That's an interesting point and could be interpretted thus:
Coley got sent off, but his team still managed the win = 2 match ban
Salford player got sent off, his team got walloped = 1 match ban.

Some people earlier in this thread were suggesting Coley's challenge was lazy, tired, due to the heat etc. by way of mitigating circumstances. What mitigating circumstances for a high swinging arm was there last night after twenty minutes?

The tackle IMHO was just as bad Coleys and should receive the same punishment but I do agree it'll probably only one.... The C word AGAIN.

The ban should justify the tackle, the time he was sent off and the final score of the game should have np bearing on the ban.

I thought coley's 2 game ban was correct, even if it was in 1st min or 80th min it was IMO a 2 game ban.

agreed

Don't be so shocked some of us saints talk sense.

Only sometimes





I was pleasantly surprised at the send off last night. All we as fans ask for from referees is consistency, and if you look back through this thread that's what the majority of complaints are about, not Coleys actual sending off.

Let's see if the disciplinary panel are as consistent as the referee.

Thats is what all the fans, players and coaches want in super league is for refs to have some consistency.

The play the balls and rucks this year have been shocking! The game has gone back a few years IMO in terms of watching good fast flowing rugby league. ( not a dig at wigan by way)

I think the disiplinary panel has been $hite for years now.

When the chicken wing tackle was banned and put in the spotlight, some players would get banned and some would get a warning, strange how the panel come up with these bans.

Thought the refereeing was pretty good last night although there wasn't the obvious pressure and intensity of perhaps Wigan v Saints or Wire. The in goal refs and touch judges seemed to play a decent part in proceedings too which was pleasantly unusual.

One question though: is it just me that thinks alot of "messyness" in the tackles/ at the play the ball that was being penalised at the start of the season is now being let go just like the offside penalties a couple of years ago?

I think the mess at the play the ball has been let go for most of the year, it's spoiling the game to watch.

Coley's previous record got taken into account as well, including a ban a few months ago and a warning about a high tackle from the end of last season that was kept on record - hence why it was 2 instead of 1. Unless Boyle's tackle was exactly the same as Coley's and his disciplinary record is exactly the same as Coley's you're comparing apples and pears.

It was suggested by the Disciplinary that it would not be in Coley's Best interests to Appeal.

Isn't it funny how teams that aren't winning as much seem to say that the PTB etc is ruining the game and it's shocking to watch, but yet Wigan fans are watching some, if not THE best Attacking rugby we've seen in a Decade!

MMMMmmmmm



I wonder, Could it be that when your losing the game suddenly doesn't seem as exciting or Fair anymore?

A little hint for you, When we stopped winning everything and you guys & Bradford started winning things followed by Leeds, We had a lot to complain about concerning the state of the game i.e Messy & too Quick PTB's meaning IMO a lot of poor defence, 1 trick ponies at Dummy Half and a lack of Quality, creative Ball playing Half Backs (Cetainly British half backs).
As we struggled with relegation etc and then found a Ceiling that we couldn't burst through under Noble we looked for answers and we (Or IL to be more exact) found it. It's up to the rest now to either copy or come up with your own way of beating this.
Who's to say if we did go back to the days of the 1/2 second PTB and dummy halfs running with no "Rugby Brain" and Half backs who can't create and just make their name off the back of Support play from 1/2 breaks made on the back of PTB's that are too quick because the RFL Pander to the 2 numbnuts off Sky and their rants, We wouldn't be even Better?
Everyones making an assumption that because whilst Wigan are using these defensive tactics we couldn't play any other way? What if they did "Interpret" The rules differently? We may be even better?
It's ruining the game? While were only involved in 1 of the 7 games each weekend, if you don't like it then go watch any of the other 6 because obviously it's only us that do these things so the other games must be better then?
If it's the rules that change then let em try it, because I'd like a small bet that we'll adapt to them as good as any of them, As long as were well coached in those interpretations.

There were many of us telling you that when the Saints Decline (And I know it isn't a massive one, just a smallish dip) started to Happen, You lot would be the last to see it, as we were. The thing is, You just don't frighten other teams anymore & now it's Payback time!

You know what, when we stopped winning everything we were looking for excuses as well!

Isn't it funny when some teams lose they say it's same ref that's to blame.

Edited for Accuracy

And then I should have edited again to "Some Fans i.e Saints fans when Ian Smith Referees!"









PS

Your 100% correct BTW, which by inference means I am as Well?

If so, don't get yourself dragged into BS excuses about slowing the PTB etc down and it ruining the game Blah Blah Blah, because as I said, they're just excuses.

Listen, I'm not having ago at Wigan as I've already said on many times. If Wigan can get away with it then good on them, I've nothing against Wigan using them tactics.

However, it's the refs that should be sorting the mess of the play the ball, it's obvious MM has brought this with him and good on him as it's working.

And still the myth continues that we are 'messing up the play the ball'. Get your stop watch out, we are no more holding down than any other team in SL. What you're upset at is that we don't just instantly put the guy down during the collision, and actually other teams don't either (just some are less good at it). How would you actually change this though, because the player isn't actually tackled at this point?

I'm serious, how do you change the game to prevent what you perceive as a problem? Make it so the player is tackled as soon as contact is made?

If we're laying on/messing around after the player is tackled, we get penalised for it just the same as every other team (arguably with even less tolerance given than some).

If the guy isn't tackled, then coach your bloody players to go down as easily as possible..... oh hang on, this is exactly what you were doing to gain your rapid play the balls in the first place. As a few people have said, come up with a tactic that prevents us from stopping you hitting the deck like a wet lettuce in every tackle.

I said the play the balls are messy, to much holding down, not just Wigan do it but many teams.

It's down to the refs to sort it out.

Then i'd honestly ask how the 'play the balls are messy', how long do you think is reasonable between the player being 'held' and the last defensive player releasing him? Should it vary on how the player was tackled, for example he surrendered?