After 2 years out, despite all the training in the world players need a competitive fl contact run out before featuring in a mid season high intensity SL game.
We are all dying to see him feature, but let's be sensible and quantify how much more impact Hock will have once fully ready.
Madge throw Finch into the deep end v wire after less time away, I feel this proved to be a mistake.

really?

When I saw him, he looked no bigger than before.

I think his first game back will be in the nines at Whitehaven on 28th June.

Saw him recently, looked big but I think but the discussion of his physic has been blown out of proportion.

Are there no nines next week?

Gaz ban ends on Tuesday 21st i think.

That would clear him to play on weds 22nd

I agree

Ban is up on the 23rd I believe

Ban is up on the 23rd , Nines next week are at Orrell on the 21st.

It's not like TD to get things wrong, is it?

34 is the next free one, unless he gets Gleeson's #3

He will be playing prop

Tbh size isn't a huge thing to play prop we all know what he can do with his off loads i think it will be a massive boost for us having there to draw people in and get the offloads out

I've seen him a few times and he has put bulk on only concern will be his fitness you can train all you want but you cant get to the level of fitness you need for a game

exactly, mossop has been ourstanding for us and hes traditionally a back rower. And i'll stand corrected if wrong but is Gannen a second rower and look at the game he had on wednesday. We need a big pack, and running with three prope as hurt us at times. If Hock is to be played as a prop i'd have him back asap. The comparisons to Finch coming back too soon are different. Finch is expected tp be creative, be a pivot, organise the team around the park as well as having responsibility for the kicking game. Hock needs to take the hit ups and hit the ball carrier hard. A big difference. And although he hasnt played for two years you never lose that natural instinct of when to odd load etc. He wont come back a rip it up, but if hes solid ill be happy. He'll get sharper at the top level by playing top level. Get him in so hes firing on all cylinders come tthe business end of the season.

we can play Hansen or Joel there then.

Could they play there? YES but there style of play wouldn't be any good

I fully expect hock to be playing a graham type roll in the front row and it will work it wont take him long to get his game back but when he does god help every other team cause we all know what he can do

I know it's diffrent but down at shevy sharks a moved to prop this season and i'll tell you what he's nailed on for player of the year/ players player you get more time out of them on the pitch plus without the extra size you get quicker play the balls

but less go forward in most cases.

Spot on with your last bit and i think thats what everyone will be aiming for we have fielden back aswell soon so 2 people will be losing places

You are right in a way but if you think about a big prop v a smaller one the only advantage of a big prop is more go forward thats it

Playing the likes of hock,joel and hansen you get more game time,quicker play the balls (which is crucial) and offloads

So in a way you get more out of them

Sorry KW, a bit off topic but who was the centre at shevy you are meaning? I watch them most games and couldn't think who you meant. You can PM me if you want.

Morley and Graham can play 80 minutes and they are large and tackle all day. So what smaller props are better than the 2 mentioned? Someone mentioned Gallen, he is 16st 3 and is 5ft 11. Thats a good build and is heavier than both Mossop and Prescott and is a loot shorter.

No way Morley can do 80 these days Graham yes but players like that you get them once every 10/20 years

Can see it being the home game against Leeds when he makes his comeback

which small props outdo the larger ones and in what way. The good big props nearly always outdo a good small one.

I could flip that around and say what do big props out do smaller ones barr more impact?

It's a never ending argument i know where your coming from but we will just have to agree to disagree

ok



Was just about to start naming names

He was huge a few months back make no mistake about it. He looks a bit leaner now but that's to be expected once he started training full-time again.

This is my view. I hope people don't expect too much from him when he comes back.