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| Always disappointing to lose players to Yawnion but even worse when they are 18 and 19 years of age. i was hoping that this sort wouldn't happen under the current setup esp with all the talk of signing more Aussies/Kiwis.
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| Im sure madge has shown the attitude of if you want to play for wigan prove yourself or theres the door. If thornley turned down our contract offer let him go.
I'd be more reluctant about letting marsh go however. But charnley seems to be the one who is excelling at the minute.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"It's not a matter of days.
Thornley and Marsh were Wigan's two centres-in-waiting about 12 months ago. Since then, the junior members of the squad have been carefully evaluated by Michael Maguire and decisions have been made over a period of months. :2cwgtfqaThe ones who've made notable steps have either featured on and off in the Wigan first team, or have been sent out to other clubs, where for the most part they have caught good notices. Sad to say, but Thornley is not one of them.[/
That might be due to the fact that he's only just finished at sixth form and it was decided, as another poster has said, that he will be held off first team or any type of loan deal until that finishes. I'm surprised people are brushing this off so easily. The lad has bags of talent, as is shown by Sale possibly having offered him a big contract without him ever playing first team. I wouldn't just take this as agent talk either, they've been sniffing around since he was 15/16.
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| [uThat might be due to the fact that he's only just finished at sixth form and it was decided, as another poster has said, that he will be held off first team or any type of loan deal until that finishes. I'm surprised people are brushing this off so easily. The lad has bags of talent, as is shown by Sale possibly having offered him a big contract without him ever playing first team. I wouldn't just take this as agent talk either, they've been sniffing around since he was 15/16[/u.
I doubt it's just agent talk where Thornley's concerned. But if he goes, he goes. There are bags of talented kids in our junior ranks, and though it would be nice to keep them all, we simply can't. Thus Maguire and co have to make decisions, based on performances, attitude etc, about which ones to keep.
Those who score lower on the chart can't possibly be allowed to hold the club to ransom. This would not be a loss on a par with Ashton, who was a regular first-teamer at the time, catching the eye of the world. Thornley has never get close to the first team in a league or cup match. If the likes of Sale want to throw daft money at someone like that, they can be my guests.
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| Never watched Thornley play but from what I gather about him on here it seems he is the best centre to come through the ranks in a long time, it's sad to have good players leave as Thornley could replace Carmont in another year or so but if Wigan have offered him a deal and he has knocked it back then so be it.
I'm sure if he really has that potential the IL and MM and the coaching staff will see it and offer a better deal for him to stay, same goes for Marsh.
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| Quote ="post"Never watched Thornley play but from what I gather about him on here it seems he is the best centre to come through the ranks in a long time, it's sad to have good players leave as Thornley could replace Carmont in another year or so but if Wigan have offered him a deal and he has knocked it back then so be it.
I'm sure if he really has that potential the IL and MM and the coaching staff will see it and offer a better deal for him to stay, same goes for Marsh.'"
IMO, Marsh is now the better option. Thornley was good as a youngster, but Marsh has continued to progress. If Marsh were to go, I'd be much more upset.
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| I cant see marsh going! Hes had a taste of 1st team with his home town club and I wouldnt say hes a lad who would put money over his ambitions etc.
Hope Im right because he as the makings of being a top quality player if he keeps developing the way he as!
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| I'm still of the same opinion that Charnley will prove to be the best of the three.
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| Im sure by now the coaching staff have identified who they will offer contracts to and of what value, not everyone can stay
If some players leave with really even proving themselves then so what, if they prove them selves they will be rewarded
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| We've just given senior contracts to 8 youngsters. If we have to lose a couple I don't see that as a major problem, just an inevitable outcome of being a club and area that produces a ton of quality talent. Besides, they may not even like it at Sale and decide they want to come back. Union sounds like a tempting option for a lot of players - massive international game, lots of money - but not everybody is suited to it.
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| The RFL have got to do something about some of our youngsters going to the dark side.
To be honest I am not sure what they can do but surely they have to do something to stop this or it will become an exodus.
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| Quote ="cjhatesunion"The RFL have got to do something about some of our youngsters going to the dark side.
To be honest I am not sure what they can do but surely they have to do something to stop this or it will become an exodus.
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I know we can't keep them all, but I'd have hoped we could keep those two, along with Charnley.
Still, at least they won't be playing against us.
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| Quote ="Geoff"I know we can't keep them all, but I'd have hoped we could keep those two, along with Charnley.
Still, at least they won't be playing against us.'"
Sorry to say this mate but I am a Saints fan.
I am just concerned for the game when we are losing quality youngsters to yawnion wether it's Wigan,Saints or whoever.
We reallly need to do something about this though.
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| Quote ="cjhatesunion"[uSorry to say this mate but I am a Saints fan[/u.
I am just concerned for the game when we are losing quality youngsters to yawnion wether it's Wigan,Saints or whoever.
We reallly need to do something about this though.'"
No need to apologise. It's an affliction.
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| The solution is simple. Home grown youngsters should be discounted from the salary cap.
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| Ian thornley wont be at wigan after this week . do not know the score with stefan marsh
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| Quote ="jameswk"Ian thornley wont be at wigan after this week . do not know the score with stefan marsh'"
If that's the case, good luck to him.
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| ive also been told what sale have offered him to defect to union. Now if the figures are correct i can completely understand him going.
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| Quote ="jameswk"ive also been told what sale have offered him to defect to union. Now if the figures are correct i can completely understand him going.
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So it's for purely financial reasons. I think we all pretty much guessed that It'd be the case.
I wonder whether the departure off Thornley and Marsh has anything to do with the possible signing of Quinn? We will be a little light in the backs for next year if both do go.
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| If both leave then lets hope we've signed Pryce up for next season.
We need cover
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"So it's for purely financial reasons. I think we all pretty much guessed that It'd be the case.
I wonder whether the departure off Thornley and Marsh has anything to do with the possible signing of Quinn? We will be a little light in the backs for next year if both do go.'"
I am not saying it is purely finaincial by any means. If he lives up to his potential he may be playing for england etc etc . that may be a factor also. From the info i have recieved wigan were trying to get him to sign months back but he refused. IL nearly got shut of him at that time. I knew this was going to come at some point this season.
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"So it's for purely financial reasons. I think we all pretty much guessed that It'd be the case.
I wonder whether the departure off Thornley and Marsh has anything to do with the possible signing of Quinn? We will be a little light in the backs for next year if both do go.'"
I don't think it's quite the death knell for Stefan Marsh just yet. Wigan rate him a lot more highly than they did Thornley.
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| "IF" he is going for the cash, then fair enough.
If he dont want to play for us then let him go.
If he was the next big thing then i would be disapointed, but he is a young lad with a lot to prove.
I am sure the sausage factory that is our youth set-up will chun out more promising youngsters.
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| Quote ="jameswk"I am not saying it is purely finaincial by any means. If he lives up to his potential he may be playing for england etc etc . that may be a factor also. From the info i have recieved wigan were trying to get him to sign months back but he refused. IL nearly got shut of him at that time. I knew this was going to come at some point this season.'"
I can certainly appreciate if Lenegan was a little vexed at this. After all it will have no doubt cost Wigan a fair amount of money to develop Thornley, and now after all all that financial assistance and countless hours of hard work by the staff at Wigan it's all gone to waste in his case.
Quote ="Cruncher"I don't think it's quite the death knell for Stefan Marsh just yet. Wigan rate him a lot more highly than they did Thornley.'"
I hope so. it'd be a real shame to lose another of our brightest prospects just when the club appears to be heading towards good times.
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| Quote ="tugglesf78""IF" he is going for the cash, then fair enough.
If he dont want to play for us then let him go.
If he was the next big thing then i would be disapointed, but he is a young lad with a lot to prove.
I am sure the sausage factory that is our youth set-up will chun out more promising youngsters.'"
This is of course true. But we have to say these kinds of things because we've no choice in the matter.
I hope, if this happens, that IL makes some kind of representation to the RFL about yet more talent draining to RU because no RL club was in a position to make a similar bid.
Even if Wigan have decided they don't want Thornley, it's a same he has to leave the game.
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