I agree, Sinfield has not been at his best at international level, as have the majority of england players. But i feel if we can give him a consistent starting place, he will lead the team and replicate his form at leeds. Look at long for example. For years he under-performed for GB and England, however, his game in australia in which we won 26-12 was outstanding, that is what i feel we can get out of sinfield.

I would personally choose Wigan every day of the week but a part of me cant help but think, for the good of the game, England winning the world cup would do wanders for us over here.

My England team if we was to play the 4 nations tommorow would be...


1Shaun Briscoe
2Peter Fox
3Michael Shenton
4Keith Senior
5Ryan Hall
6Leon Pryce
7Rob Burrow
8Adrian Morley
9Scott Moore (alot of people may shoot me down on this choice but IMO hes been the best hooker in the league this season when ever ive watched Hudds. He always looks so dangorous)
10Jamie Peac0ck
11Gareth Ellis
12Sean O'loughlin/Sam Bugesss
13Sean O'loughlin/Sam Burgess(can not make my mind up which way around i would play the 2 to be honest)

14James Graham
15Eorl(sp) Crabtree (i always though he was very over rated myself but this season he has been the most improved player in super league IMO and deserves a chance)
16James Roby
17Kyle Eastmond

Wigan all the way, i do enjoy watching England/GB though.

Briscoe
Hall
Shenton
Gleeson
Gardner
McGuire
Burrow
Morley
Moore
Peacock
Ellis
O'Loughlin
Sinfield

Roby
Lynch
Westerman
Burgess

Why on earth have some people put Sinfield in their team? Over Lockers in some cases



I am not sure we are stuggling for wingers so much we have quite a few who will do a good job, Hall and Fox are both good players. We just cannot compete in the centres and halves.

I think my point has been proved then. The international game is not going to grow because not enough people care about it, including me, the only thing bigger than watching Wigan is watching the world cup. Also it is not competitive enough.

I hope the 2013 WC changes all this and England win it.

England. I've waited a long time to see them win something. It would make national news and some players might become as famous as Johnny Wilkinson. A real boost for the game.

That will never happen.

Wigan winning is nothing new, England would be, so England for me



1. Briscoe
2. Fox
3. Shenton
4. Atkins
5. Hall
6. Tomkins
7. Eastmond
8. Peacock
9. Moore
10. Graham
11. Ellis
12. Morley
13. O'Loughlin

14. Roby
15. Crabtree
16. LMS
17. Mossop

Doesn't matter who we pick, the Aussies will still hammer us. May as well put some kids in for the future

England every time.

30 years of getting smashed all about ensures if we could win a world cup it would personally be the greatest thing i could see as a rugby league fan, although to be fair an Ashes victory would be just as sweet.

I think everyone would find themselves loving it if we won the WC or the ashes. The atmosphere in the early tri nations series showed how much it means to alot of fans, we need to repeat those big close games and then win some and start moving to bigger stadiums. I wish the RFL had enough money to build a 40,000 seater stadium for our international game. Something like the JJB but filled in with seats in the corners. We do not have a home and it sets us appart from other sports when they have Lords, Wembley, Twickenham, Wimbledon, we need a home, in the north.

The team that should be picked for the 4 nations is the up and coming talent that the coach believes will be playing in 2013 WC . We need to be bringing these players thru now not in 18months 2 years time when its to late.We need to get them to play as unit know each others strengths and weaknesses its ok playing the likes of senior morley sinfield burrows maguire for the 4 nations but when WC time comes around these players will be either past it or nearing the ends of their careers

I'd have to say Wigan.

But like many, I obviously would like to see England win the World Cup.

I agree we must not select a large number of players who have no chance of making 2013 but a sprinkling will be needed especially up front.

Back to the original topic i firmly believe that although i would rather see England be successful than Wigan, for an English team to be successful we need a strong Wigan team in SL.

How would it be pratical to build a 40,000 seat stadium? Too small for the GF and the CC final, and too big for semis. SO pretty much one or two internationals a year. That would be such a waste of money. We dont have a national stadium because we dont have the money or the need for one.

No we dont, what an arrogant statement. For a successful England team we need a strong Superleague. We need players from different teams and not just the top 2, like in the NRL. Its not all about Wigan and lets face it, it rarely is anyway these days...

i think going off the history and current state of the academy and reserves teams its showing that the best young talent is in the wigan area, argue as you want but between wigan, saints and leeds is split the majority of the best youth, mainly wigan out of the 3.

It would quite likely benefit England were wigan to have a strong team because in the age of the salary cap it would mean that a lot of the team would be through the academy and hence eligable for England.

Overall super league has to become stronger, but i think a big part in this happening on the international scene is wigan becoming strong because they have the potential with the setup and youth to be up there challenging at the top if managed correctly/

Wigan.

Club before country every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Without a viable and vibrant international competition with a competitive national side this game is in danger of dying on its @r$e.

The big money to sports bodies these days is in international competition, rugby union has known this for years and used that as a means of subsidising its teams, especially in their pretend amateur days, to keep their clubs alive.

Cricket wouldn't survive at all witout international cricket to fund the rest of the game.

If you put your club before internationals then you are voting for the slow death of rugby league as a fully professional sport.

Give me ANY international victory over any club game anytime.

I must admit I did not think about Grand final and CC final. Maybe abit more then. We could make money of it as well letting it be used for gigs and other events and maybe getting a football team to play there.

Exactly.

That is 100% correct. We need a strong and vibrant International competition.

The other thing it does is to give kids a greater appreciation of the game and a desire to get to the top.

I wont argue that the talent is in the area and that there are only a few good youth set-ups, but that’s the problem. There needs to be a far better youth set up throughout Super league. Wigan have had many young players go through the ranks and then leave, so i dont see how just a strong Wigan would suddenly improve the England team. Many teams have the potential to produce youth, but there just isn’t enough investment in it throughout the league and the RFL.

If we are talking long term I agree, but for the 2013 World Cup then we need a strong Wigan converting these juniors as we now seem to be capable of doing.

I would also add a strong league also needs a strong Wigan for the same reason ie getting quality young players into the system.

i would say short term next 10 years of so England need a strong Leeds, Saints, Wigan and Bradford, they also need to build the league and development structure but this is not going to happen in this timescale.

Personally I don't think it's possible to choose between the two.

Wigan - our hometown and a club the vast majority of us have followed since our birth.

England - our country, one we've lived in all our lives and one our elders have had to bloody fight for and thus will support regardless of what sport.

Thing is, we dont have to choose between the 2, we have the league season and once we've finished with that we get the Internationals. Apart from the 1 mid season game, the International program doesnt clash, so we can have both