Why ask Ryan Atkins who is the best centre in the league is

Ryan is the best centre in super league ask Carmont the same question

Both players are exceptional but on current form this season and last season its
Atkins

The same Ryan Atkins who was woeful defensively for England? Atkins is big and fast and in a league where 80% of defences are garbage that's all that's needed and indeed it's more than enough to look brilliant. Take into account the attributes and understanding that centres need when facing tougher defences and Carmont wins hands down.

ask a wire fan whos the best there going to say atkins ask a wigan fan they will say carmont, but i think carmont is a better overall but atkins is better attacking

Yes we are - not in the centres though sadly.



Yes, well - I clearly "fully understand the difference between good rugby players and bad ones" a darned sight better than the likes of you matey...

****buzzz**** Wrong answer.... 2+2<>5... I've been to Franklins Gardens once ever. Try again.

Anyway, RL is still a much better spectacle than RU but the gap is getting rapidly narrower, but that's another issue...

Very fair - I'd certainly have either of them in a Saints shirt at the moment very gladly. Neither of them still would have made a Wigan, Saints or Bradford starting 17 10-15 years ago though...

He's so much classier than Scott Naylor and he'd be in our team above most of the centres who played in our 2002 season.

Personally i don't think many of Wigan's current team would get in the dominant team of the late 80's, Tomkins probably but no one else, O'Loughlin is a cracking player but Hanley is the greatest 13 to play the game.

The thing is though if this team could travel back in time and play that team i actually think the current team would win, they're better drilled, probably fitter too.

Wigan now are a well drilled side and i think their organisation and fitness would beat the team of the 80's even though individually that team wins unanimously.
Saying that i also think given a years training with all the modern facilities and diets they'd rip SL apart.

I think the modern standard of player in SL is a lot higher than pre SL but only due to better facilities and all the technology but individually the players way back when are far better and i'd love to see that individual brilliance brought up to modern day standards.

You're adopting a hugely arrogant tone here: classing your own opinion as 'incontrovertible fact' and mocking everyone else's. Most of the Wigan fans who post on this forum will have watched at least as many world class players as you, and yet you're the only who knows what he's talking about ???

While there may be some truth in what you say about certain players of the past being head and shoulders above their present-day counterparts, that could be said of any generation.

But your making an OTT issue out of this is starting to look like a thinly-veiled device to disprespect the current league-leaders and at the same time boost up the past achievements of your own club. I know, because we did exactly the same thing when our own great team became nothing more than a memory (and the Wigan team we were harping back to was a lot better than the Saints team you are).

The past is the past, as your lot used to so fondly and repeatedly tell us. No-one will ever know how teams then and teams now would square up. Bleat on all you want, it won't prove anything.

You MUST be on a windup with that comment

Of course not. Why would I be?

Tell you want - save me the hassle of having to go through the same circular arguments again and search for my previous posts on the subject. It'll be a nice experience for you.

Arrogant? Doesn't sound like me....

At the end of the day everyone's entitled to an opinion, even a half-baked, ill-informed one. My opinion is that today's players have advanced in professionalism and fitness over those of 10/15/20 years ago, but have declined steeply at the top level in most other areas (particularly in terms of ability to provide entertainment value). This is supported by the fact that players that would have whiled their careers away in midtable obscurity once upon a time like Carmont, Shenton, Smith, Myler, Gaskell, Gardner etc. etc. are now expensive, prized and fought over targets for the top clubs. Your opinion may be different. Good luck to you on that if so.

which ones are better? roby then im out!

Yes you do sound arrogant, But as you say, we are all entitled to our own "half-baked, ill-informed one".
Perhaps you could acknowledge that about your own opinion may be as well as all others.... Thats why you sound arrogant. Have a lovely day looking in your mirror and preening.

me and northhampton saint have been through this plent of times, and i did the full team comparison and all i got was your being biased, maybe i was but only with Mcilorum as i prefere his style of play but the others.

Just accept the "fact", we are all wrong and NS is right... End of the matter, lock the thread....

Now you're learning



See, you [ican[/i educate a Wigguner - it just takes a bit more effort than for most normal people, that's all

That wasn't even nearly close to the argument you silly person. If you're going to precis a previous debate then at least use something vaguely approximating the facts when doing so.

The debate [iactually[/i revolved the good old "form is temporary, class is permanent", and that fact that, despite currently underperforming and labouring under substandard coaching, there would be more Saints players in a "best 17" team based on their basic quality and class than Pies. However my learned friend is completely incapable of grasping this basic concept. C'est la vie.

what a fool haha, and read what i was replying to, it was regarding are previous argument about wigan players being far better than the plastics over the hill. i really couldn't care less if you think rugby league standards have fallen only an idiot couldn't see that the players are far better athletes these days.

That's clearly because you know the square root of **** all matey.

There's nothing wrong with reasoned debate and opinion, but anyone who would suggest that there was only one Saints player better than their equivalent at Wigan goes well beyond the bounds of said opinion and firmly into the heady heights of one-eyed clueless numptyville and is worthy of nought but derision. You suck. There, consider yourself derided

I've already said players are fitter and more professional now you utter, utter tool. Read the posts and respond reasonably to the points actually being made and not ones you invent in your imbecilic tiny little mind in future with your trademark unwarranted partisan abuse added in for extra knuckle-scraping points on the way. Little bit of advice for you there. My posts are both informative and entertaining. Gravy all the way.

"Hur, hur, hurrrrrr... Me fink Saints better than inbred fingies over hill, innit like? Hurrr... hurr... hurrrrr....."

See? I can do you-style posts easily if I want to too... I don't as I have a brain...

I notice you made no comment on my previous post with regard to your arrogant attitude, but we are used to you picking your target, and ignoring all else. Comment if you wish, but you will get no reply from me. Have a nice life, and i'm sure when you figure out how to organise a marriage with yourself, you will be very happy.

In the starting 13, along with Roby, id take TP over Hansen in the second row but that really is it

Or alternatively, do what you do - voice an opinion and assert that it's a fact.

Or should that be 'FACT!' (I'd imagine that shouting from the safety of a keyboard is more your style).

Game over.