Agreed. I was chatting to someone tonight who said, I went to the game, I really should make the effort to go more often, it was great. I imagine I'm not the only one to have heard such talk.

From the sounds of it a couple of Saints fans got thrown out today for fighting for acting like d@ickheads

Answer me something honestly Stu; when saints win a game by tenacious scrambling defence and clinically taking their chances when they come, do you say the other team should have won by 10?

Wigan won by being the better side today. Simple as that. Saying if Farrell doesn't bat the ball down or French doesn't pull off a try saver or that Knowles was good enough to score and the game would have been different is being disingenuous. All those things DID happen because Wigan were good enough to make them happen or Saints weren't good enough to stop them happening.

The "if this would have happened instead of what actually happened, it would have had a different result" is the worst argument in sport. You're better than that.

Fabulous occasion today felt like the 1990s all over again and a credit to the sport.
Interested in the narrative that we had two chances and took them and Saints bombed 5 or something. Firstly, when has opposition misfortune been acknowledged by Sts in recent narrow squeak years? I would argue KPP dropping the kick he won when it was easier to score and an unmarked Marshall dropping a quick fire French pass were spurned opportunities too before we get on to the defensive efforts of French, Shorrocks x2 and Farrell as well as the blatantly forward pass for the second half Welsby “opportunity”

Sts have been and still are a champion side but Wigan were better and wanted it more today. Simples & Bravo

When people talk about Saints bombing chances, they’re ignoring the fact they don’t have the pace to score from deep. A chance is only a chance if you actually have a chance of scoring but Saints are so slow across the board. They’re a fantastic side and you need to be squeaky clean against them but they’ll only beat you by scoring from within your 20. If you can win the territory battle, you’re most of the way there against them. We’ve learned that lesson this past 14 months and are now sticking in games and being patient. They’ll get you sometimes, like that game in Newcastle but they won’t run away from you as long as you decide to stick in the battle with them. They’re still the favourites for the major trophies this year IMO but we’ve worked out a way of beating them this past season and a bit and I think we can all be confident now that they’re not going to trample over us, like they did in 2021.

If KPP would have caught that kick and passed to Ellis, if Marshall would have caught that French pass and raced to the line and if Wardle would have caught that French pass we’d have won by 24!

Love the saints fans defence online it’s either - “rubbish game and Wigan were slightly less rubbish”, “refs fault didn’t get singleton off and didn’t get loads of 6 agains”. “we take our chances and we win easy” or “if Walmsley and Batch play we win easy”


They can’t seem to comprehend that the super duper world champs who beat Penrith in a friendly in front of 10k in the preseason challenge lost to Joe Shorrocks playing 6.


How many Saints players would make it into Wigans 17? Maybe Welsby on the bench ?

Just as well they didn't, I had Wigan to win by 8.

People clearly being selective with what they are reading from my posts.

“Wigan had a good game plan, Peet did his homework. They played at a good intensity. We were second best for a lot of the game”

Not sure why the above comments are being ignored.

All I pointed out was the number of clean line breaks we made. Bearing in mind we’ve been largely awful since the WCC then I was surprised. I can’t recall the last time we broke an opponents line so often.

If Warrington have half those chances next week then they will be good enough to convert them.

I said last night that Shorrocks was outstanding. Smithies was also the best forward on the pitch.

With a full team out it could well be Wigan and Warrington in the Grand Final this year.

This is the end of an era for Saints and we are seeing an ageing team devoid of pace and a couple of greats not performing.

It’s Sport, it happens. I’m a Utd fan so I’ve seen it happen with my own football team.

Congratulations to Wigan. They defended well and had the better performers on the day.

a bit cheaky but it did make me chuckle!

I thought at halftime that if you scored first in the second half that you would kick on and win.

We played it really well in the first 10 to 15 minutes of the second half and once King scored I was genuinely relaxed in that we would go on and win. Our defence and work rate was first class. If Field had played behind that pack yesterday he would have ripped holes in your defence. If Lomax had played behind that pack he would have done likewise. Hopefully you have an ageing pack whilst ours is coming of age.

Peet and his coaching team did an excellent job in preparation for yesterday.

I still think that Saints are the team to beat this season however, if we play you again with the same intensity we will have a good chance of turning you over particularly if Field is the 13.

I agree with your comment re Wire. It’ll be very tough next week without Cust, Cooper and Field with potentially Singleton and Farrell joining them on the sidelines.

What did Farrell do?

Add King to that list. Is he able to play against his parent club

Wouldn't be calling it a friendly if you had won there would you??

Kaide Ellis had a top game and is definitely edging towards the wanting to keep him list. I’m hoping we get to see him start now Cooper is injured and maybe see him get extended minutes. He looks ready for a bit more responsibility.

Excellent performance, tactically spot on. The defense at the beginning of the second half was brutal.

For the first time in a long time it was a top team performance from everyone in the team, no one had a bad game. Think the MOM could have gone to anyone really.

Couldn’t make out who is was but Cooper was done with a hip drop tackle. He’ll be out for a while.

I’m not so sure about it being an end of an era, you deservedly beat Penrith and I think you’ve had a bit of a hangover after that. You have also been that far ahead you can afford to drop off and still win the title. If I was a betting man I’d still pick you to win the grand final.

It's not being selective at all Stu. You're offering qualified praise of 'you played well but we should have beaten you'. On a day you were comprehensively outplayed you would surely expect that to be challenged, wouldn't you?

If I might be allowed to answer the question I asked earlier (but you haven't answered) you would credit Saints (not qualified credit) if you'd won in the manner we did yesterday and quite rightly so.

Knowles I think.

Agreed, we now need to see Mago step up, if he can't put in a better performance than Singleton yesterday he's surely gone, Wakey would seem the ideal game to give Hill a first team run out.

He had a decent game yesterday Ellis.
Always looks like he can do more minutes. He will probably have to over the next few weeks.

Great shout, he ran for 77 more metres than Matty Lees who Saints fans have been telling us is amazing.

Didn’t even realise he was playing

On the the back of a beaten pack Lees doesn’t look good. I don’t really notice him like Thompson,Passi and Walmsley. Although in the final his try was class

Mago has gone at the end of the season anyway.

The only time I've seen saints play like saints this year has been when Wolf was sitting in t he e coaches box alongside Wellens.

They lacked that 100% effort 100%of the time we've been used to seeing the past 3 years

I watched an interview in the week with Tommy Makinson, who was saying how relaxed everyone was in the build up to Good Friday and that it comes from Wellens, who he said is a laid back character and is really relaxed himself. It sounded a bit of a world away from how I’d imagine Woolf being described, especially after watching Wellens himself commenting how intense he was in a recent podcast. No two coaches are the same but Woolf clearly focussed hugely on those effort areas. If you start to see a crack in some of that work, you’re a real chance against them.