It's a different story over on Twitter, where quite a few Wire fans - some of whom even admit that they're that - are complaining nonstop about last weekend's result.

Decisions go against every team in every match. Some are fair, some are unfair, some occupy a grey space in between. But there's a lot more than the odd moment of eccentricity from the ref that costs teams games.

Sorry to be blunt, but Wire lost, and their legion of support that has suddenly materialised in the RL media (because they only ever want to back 'winners') need to get over it.

If Vaughan doesn't win his appeal or they don't bother then their lack of forwards evens it up a bit more from what I first thought.

We'll know at 12pm definitely when the squads are named but it seems like Batchelor is back which is a huge bonus however Sironen and Paasi are still missing plus Wingfield failed his HIA last week so that still leaves us with Knowles, Walmsley, Matautia plus the above 3 missing.

Paasi I believe may need an operation so not sure how long he is out for but he's been playing with an injury all season so it needs sorting whatever it is.

Lees thankfully escaped a ban. However on that subject its not hard to see why Saints fans are frustrated with the process. Thaler didn't penalise him on Friday and only binned him after consulting with the touch judge. Thaler said he connected with the HKR players chest. Lo and behold the RFL then say there is no case to answer for it.

This is the second time this season that Lees has been binned, the opposition have scored a couple of tries whilst we have been down to 12 men and then the RFL say there is no case when it comes to the MRP.

Really looking forward to seeing three Saints players sin-binned on Thursday and reading the resulting meltdown over on RedVee

I’ve just seen the Vaughan one and I’m not sure why they’ve appealed it (well I know why but they shouldn’t win it) It looks pretty standard in terms of what they’re banning people for. It’s somewhere in between Smithies and Knowles tackles IMO and with other men in the tackle and his feet leaving the floor, it looks pretty clear cut when judged alongside those 2 Good Friday incidents.

It should be a good game. One thing I think Wellens needs to do is to put a bit more faith in young Delaney. I saw the stats from Friday and I presume he got extremely limited minutes. The kid is a good player and can help take pressure off Lees, LMS and Wingfield.

You can be sin binned in a game and then there be no case to answer by the MRP. Similarly, you can not be penalised in the game and then get a charge/ban afterwards. The two aren't necessarily connected, which I'm sure you know really.

If Thaler has taken advice from his TJ and decided to use that to sin bin him then he clearly feels the TJ was in a better position to make the call as he doesn't have to listen to him if he doesn't want so the issue is with the TJ and not the MRP or the RFL. Maybe the TJ Union has it in for Saints?

Can't speak for anyone else, but for me it's simply based on Fantastic Mr Cat telling us how many players you were missing which clearly wasn't true.

Having seen the sides I expected our bench to get us over the line but didn't see the early dominance coming. Wish we'd managed to take our chances and really put a score on but on another day we may do so.

Agree on the Minikin try. I'd have given it personally. I think O'Neill is onside JUST.

Vaughan now not appealing. The right call by Wire that. I think there was a chance it could’ve got increased looking at the footage. It’s worse than Smithies IMO, who got 1 game, simply because other players are holding KPP.

50/50 that game on Thursday now

Any view on that KPP “tackle”. On repeat viewing looks nothing more than a blatant attempt to injure an opponent.

VERY surprised he wasn't called up for that having seen it.

What about the Wire player putting Mago's ankle up around his ear, looks nothing more than a blatant attempt to injure an opponent

PS K P-P should've got a ban for whatever that grab was, no need at all

Totally disagree, as I said on the last page KPP is lazy in the ruck, always grabbing and holding onto feet and legs. I think in that tackle he's trying to slow and turn the player to stop him getting up to play the ball, and he's doing it in a way that is dangerous and he should have been called for it.

Quote ="Captain Hook"Any view on that KPP “tackle”. On repeat viewing looks nothing more than a blatant attempt to injure an opponent.'" Saw it for the first time yesterday, I will admit that it's a not a good one and I'm really surprised the RFL didn't pick up on it (im not sure they can retrospectively). Deserved at least one match. Especially considering the tackle was made against Clarke who'd just come back from a groin injury I believe. For those who haven't seen it: https://twitter.com/nico_1467/status/16 ... uvr4w&s=19

Quote ="Captain Hook"Any view on that KPP “tackle”. On repeat viewing looks nothing more than a blatant attempt to injure an opponent.'" Saw it for the first time yesterday, I will admit that it's a not a good one and I'm really surprised the RFL didn't pick up on it (im not sure they can retrospectively). Deserved at least one match. Especially considering the tackle was made against Clarke who'd just come back from a groin injury I believe. For those who haven't seen it: https://twitter.com/nico_1467/status/16 ... uvr4w&s=19

He's extremely highly rated, however he is only 20 and still needs a lot of size on him yet. I know this will sound far fetched but I've seen enough of him at Reserve level to think he potentially could be another Luke Thompson in terms of his engine and running style.

Wellens has been getting his interchanges horribly wrong culminating in a complete waste of a sub on Friday where Bell went off and literally came back on within a minute.

Yes I understand that and I note your sarcasm yet again when I'm trying to make a legitimate point. If I wanted to be argumentative I'd have put KPP's tackle on here which wasn't even cited unbelievably.

The point I'm making is that the MRP have given a "Not applicable" against Lees which by my understanding is no offence i.e the officials got it wrong.Had it have been a correct high tackle then he would've been banned as he has already been charged and fined from the Hudds game.

You're correct, but that happens to EVERY single club at some stage of the season and on multiple occasions, but again you're trying to claim that Saints are being hard done to.

I've said it before, you can't play at 99 level aggression and then when a player gets it wrong and it becomes over the limit complain about the repercussions.

A bizarre incident that one. I’m honestly stumped on what it actually was intending to do. I wouldn’t have had any complaints had he picked up a game. The description of what it was would’ve been interesting.

Two issues with this.

a) He didn't get it wrong hence the Not applicable result.
b) Given we have been on the wrong end of this 3 times already and we are not yet out of April, then I think we are entitled to feel hard done to.

The pulling of a players leg is one of my pet hates, it happens pretty regularly perhaps it will be on peoples minds now. the suggestion that he did it targeting Clarks injury is stretching the argument for his punishment.

KPP is a lucky boy and got away with one there. That looks like a deliberate attempt to open up/hyperextend the groin/hip area, and if not truly dangerous it's at the least absolutely daft.

Less of that please, lad.

a) he did because the TJ said it was a sin binning offence and the referee decided to change his own mind based on that report. Just because the MRP didn't feel it was worthy of more doesn't mean it wasn't a penalty at the time
b) the RFL must really hate you

a) It may have been a penalty but he was sinbinned. Thats my argument
b) True. Probably getting tired of us winning it every year and want to make the competition a bit closer, give the others a chance.

I didn't remember the KPP 'tackle' (and I've watched the game back!

), but that's not a good look at all. Grabbing a leg or ankle at the end of a tackle is usually just trying to slow it down a bit, but that looks like a deliberate attempt to injure.

We've had the Makinson squirrel tackle and now the KPP Kipper Splitter

Quote ="MattyB"Saw it for the first time yesterday, I will admit that it's a not a good one and I'm really surprised the RFL didn't pick up on it (im not sure they can retrospectively). Deserved at least one match. Especially considering the tackle was made against Clarke who'd just come back from a groin injury I believe. For those who haven't seen it: https://twitter.com/nico_1467/status/16 ... uvr4w&s=19'" You are right, it doesn’t look good.

Quote ="MattyB"Saw it for the first time yesterday, I will admit that it's a not a good one and I'm really surprised the RFL didn't pick up on it (im not sure they can retrospectively). Deserved at least one match. Especially considering the tackle was made against Clarke who'd just come back from a groin injury I believe. For those who haven't seen it: https://twitter.com/nico_1467/status/16 ... uvr4w&s=19'" You are right, it doesn’t look good.

Best part is you can hear the Wire fan rage slamming something in the background.