We need to send jake shorrocks on his way ASAP he offered nothing last night other than passing to nobody. He had one decent game in his debut vs Widnes years ago and some how still seems to be living his Wigan career off that as he has done nothing since. Am I missing something? I don’t see anything in his game at all.

"One word Mr Chairman. Go forward."

Until this gets fixed everything else is shuffling the deckchairs.

Iyt's not though is it

I just don't get the criticism of Lenagan because without him and his money to keep us going we would be up creek

In your opinion
In mine it is

I know you have your agendas, good luck to you, but very few considered our signings and squad this year as being anything other than an improvement on last.

Lam has had as much backing if not more as Wane ever got.
He worried me first 10 games of last year as he seemed to go from blaming one lot of players one week to another week on week.

We improved 2nd half of year without ever looking like we were anything more than a team that were taking advantage of other teams poor play, poor form etc.
As soon as we came to the crunch we failed.

Hes had 12 months to get ready for this season and picked that pack last week, whether he got lu ky or not last week due to the sending off etc is debatable, but it was clear as day there were issues up front.

With Burgess missing this week (And Powell) we were crying out for some experience, size
He made the decision not to include the 3 players most people would have brought in.
I believe there was an issue with Bullock, but heres the thing, he has to manage that, deal with it or get rid.
Hita ok blaming Rads/IFl about the signings, but Lam was here and if he had no say over them then he should have had the Balls to walk, and if hes happy with them he needs to work and improve them.

Top line, are we better or not and do we look like we are getting or going to get better?

Anyone blaming Lenagan instead of Lam for that shambles need their head testing.

Certain posters have been after him for the past 6/7/8 years, theyll relate every little thing that goes wrong back to him to try and make out hes the issue.

Said it before, if anyone knows a multi millionaire who fancies throwing 20million at the club and propping up losses every year whilst being criticised for doing so please let us know whi he is as IFL may be willing to offload.

Until then were going to have to put up with the usual rubbish about IFL being tight, taking money out the club and/or just in general being a tight wad.
Whilst at the same time acknowledging that a large % of those people cant put their £20 a week into the club whilst hes put probably £10,000,000 million in.

The squad is absolutely fine, in fact it’s more than that, it’s a very good one at superleague level. A good coach could compete for every single trophy with this squad.

Nail, head

Once again I agree, you don't need to look to far to see the effect a coach who knows what hes doing with Holbrook and Saints,his impact was immediate and they never really looked back..and their squad id wager was far worse than what Lam has at his disposal at present.

The only issue I have with Lenegan is how long he will let this ride on, this isn't a 2 game problem, this is a problem that was there for all to see last season.

I would get rid of Lam as well, but who do we get if he goes? Do we promote someone like Darrell Goulding or look overseas for another inexperienced assistant in the NRL

Easter is deadline day for me. Everyone said there were no excuses for Lam coming in to this season and he’s had a pretty horrendous start in terms of improvement from last year.

A coach is there to lead the way and bring the best out of his players. He’s responsible for making them better players and ultimately for results. All he got last year was a few scrappy results but in terms of players improving or playing their best rugby, it was non existent pretty much (Sam Powell maybe).

Say we brought in the new Justin Holbrook/Michael Maguire and I made a list of players I think could offer up more than they’ve done under Lam and honestly I think it would be 20 strong.

Agree with the comments about this squad's capabilities. It pretty clear we have the ability to walk all 3 trophies this season. Not saying we should or will but we could and are well capable but just keep under performing. Joe Greenwood was superb for Wane and was a major force in our GF success and now all of a sudden he is garbage etc. That back line is ridiculous when fit

1. French
2. Manfredi
3. Hardaker
4. Gildart
5. Marshall
6. Hastings
7. Smith/Tommy

That is a very skillful back line and half. We should be tearing sides apart but............................ You can't do that if your props aren't cutting the mustard. The problem lies up top. We need big metres and big carries and some senior players to step up. The raging Bullock is prime for this but if the rumours are true then he needs to sort his lax and billy big balls attitude out. Not a fan of Flower but he can come back in for me too and not seen Clark yet so cant comment.

IL took the easy and probably cheap option on Lam. He’s on a rolling contract and you aren’t going to get a top coach coming on those sort of terms. You’d also struggle to get one if the coach has as little say in signings and back room staff as we are led to believe in my opinion.

So,if Lam does get the boot sooner rather than later, it would not surprise me at all to see the job given to Lockers.

The club have known about the forwards not cutting the mustard for a few years but still continue to reward under performing players with contract extensions, starting positions and low minutes on the field.

If we had a pack that could make 50-60 metres a set we'd be laughing with that backline.

Agreed. There is no balance to our squad at all. All of the talent is in the backs, barring Lockers and Farrell. Hastings doesn’t turn into an average half overnight, he just had the platform to play at Salford that we can’t/won’t give him (and French).

Correct, the quality of players from outside the club has gone down since the time of Madge being the Coach

Even the website is out of date. We are now into the season and still we do not know who is playing in the Under 18 and 16 Academy and Womens teams.

Hardly surprising that sale of season tickets has not been very good!

I've got no complaints about Hastings. I think he's shown enough to demonstrate his quality, but he's on a hiding to nothing unless we beef up the pack.

Playing Smith or Shorrocks could have been an option, not both. On a small pitch we should have gone big, had at least Clarke involved, pushed Havard into the second row and maybe brought in Bullock/Kilner.

Either way, we are peeing into the wind until we get a new coach. I had a chat with my Widnes supporting mate before the season, he’d backed Wigan for the Grand Final, I said no chance because we have a good squad, we will finish top 3 but we won’t win a big game because we don’t have the coach.

In all seriousness I think I’d rather give Matty Peet the job. In fact I’d be putting the feelers out now for Jason Demetriou.

Although Smithies and Partington are decent players, the problem with both of them is they struggle to make metres, so them constantly playing together is hindering our go forward a lot and especially when you’ve got 10 minute Tony in the same team, Clark and Bullock in for Partington and Clubb next week imo

Whilst I don’t watch Wigan regularly (bar TV games), I did notice that Wigan seemed to have no set plays or patterns of play. You’ve got the likes of French and Hastings, and not once did they offer the threat of a set play together. I can’t remember seeing Hastings trying to find French once in the entire 80 minutes.
I’m just not sure what Wigan do in training, if there isn’t any evidence of combinations or pre-planned moves on game-day. That comes down to coaching.

That's one very expensive hobby.

In two weeks we play HullFC at home. For that Lam has to put out a big and experienced pack, anything less and we'll lose.

The best way to attempt a win surely is to play the big forwards v Toronto so they'll be more familiar than throwing out a never tried before team and squad v Hull.

G Burgess (if fit), Bullock, Flower, Byrne maybe Clarke should be props, Greenwood and Farrell back row with Lockers at 13.
Go with Smith at scrum half as we'll need his good kicking game and Hastings at 6.
Backs select themselves until Manfredi and Gildart are fit.

After the Cas selection shambles Lam needs to get his head around the fact that when it comes to RL forwards size matters. If he doesn't learn that soon it may be too late.

I noticed that time after time when we went to our right flank French would be coming round the back of our line but every time it went to Isa,we need to be missing Isa out and creating a 3 on 2 or is that wishful thinking

Correct, but at the same time, supporters and indeed shareholders are entitled to question some of the decisions being made by Lenagan and Radlinski like for example, the game at Millwall and the trip down under to Australia which resulted in financial losses to the club.

Financial decisions which may have something to the do with the poorer quality of some of the signings made from outside the club in the last couple of seasons or so compared to the seasons prior to the above two ventures taking place.