If people actually knew the truth about the REAL reasons he has gone on loan, I tell you now that Gaz wouldnt be in for all this stick. He still wants to play for Wigan but not under the current coach for personal reasons. Widnes on loan was the first club he chosen due to close friends being there also, better money than hes on at Wigan makes it win/win for all parties but he will be back when Wane is sacked/leaves.

Bull

And what are these real reasons or isn't it your place to say?

So IL can give an official statement on what a prick Hock had been but you can't post on a forum?

Personal reasons or not, Gareth Hock has no remit to tell Wigan who they can or can't employ as head-coach. No individual is more important than the club. His failure to understand that is reason enough to show him the door ... never mind everything else.

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Quote ="Johnny Headline"Wigan have known since late December he wouldnt play for them again. Johnny Headline-Bringing you the truth, the hole truth an nothing but the truth!!!!!! '" Quote ="MattyB"Is this the same Hock who (according to some) has played his last game for Wigan due to the rumours that have been going around??!! '" [uSat Oct 27, 2012 3:59 pm [/u viewtopic.php?f=28&t=539657&tsmp=1358891780 What do I win?

I think that it the whole situation is a real shame for all involved (except perhaps Widnes, time will tell).

Based on the information that is currently in the public domain, then i have got to say all credit to IL and this is another example of his great leadership whilst at the club. If Hock was being such a disruptive and unruly influence then he simply had to go. I could not care a jot if there had been a bust up between him and Wane. The simple fact is he is an employee and needs to toe the party line.

However

I am not sure if i have it in me to be harsh on Hock.


If he has gone out his way to manufacture either a move or a sacking then he honestly deserves all the flack he will no doubt receive. He has been panned in the press by the Wigan club whilst exposing his complete lack of loyalty to both the club and fans. Did he not think that he may now no longer be welcome in his home town? Did he not realize that the vast amount of supporters who used to adore him, will now view him with nothing but contempt and in some cases hatred.

Sportsmen are professionals and they need to earn a living. Although i am irked by foreign players acting like mercenaries when it comes to increasing contracts and forcing their way out of the club, i am also a realist. Players play for cash and in 90% of cases they are possibly correct to do so (trying to be objective here).

Hock's situation however is wholly different to the vast majority of these cases. He plays for his hometown team that have brought him right through the ranks to become the player his now. The club (and IL in particular) really operated right at the extremities of what the UKDA would deem legal when looking after him during his hiatus. The cherry on the cake was to offer him a guaranteed 4 years worth of employment, even though his actions could be described as dis loyal.

He has no authority to demand higher pay. Any man with a shred of respect for himself should understand that he owes a debt of gratitude and loyalty to the club. He has some neck to demand a third pay rise even though he should have seen his current contract as almost probation for his previous indiscretion.

Is an extra few quid worth having a large percentage of the towns populace having a negative opinion of you?

He can move to Widnes of course (if that's were he ends up after this year), but the stigma of what he has done will always linger in the air. He will from this day on ALWAYS be a Judas in the towns eyes (sweeping statement i know, but you catch my drift).

I cant fathom out why a few quid extra wold be worth it? It would be a horrible thing to be chastised and in some cases hated by people who used to adore you.

Looking at his sorry mug on SLTV today showed a person who did not quite understand the ramifications of his actions. The realization of what he has done looks to have sunk in and it was not an easy watch.

I honestly do not think that Hock is the devious person he is being made out to be. I do think however that he has been on the wrong end of some terrible advice from a greedy agent of other 3rd party.

Whatever it was it has backfired on a rather large scale and he has to sleep in the bed he has made.

Leaving aside normal rational thinking. I genuinely hope he rots in a bottom of the table team and he never gets a sniff of the national side. Strange feelings to have for someone that i am beginning to pity

What a turgid situation.

Quote ="MattyB"[uSat Oct 27, 2012 3:59 pm [/u retro.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 1358891780 What do I win? '" You know what you are? A bloody jinx

Quote ="MattyB"[uSat Oct 27, 2012 3:59 pm [/u retro.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 1358891780 What do I win? '" You know what you are? A bloody jinx

God knows what we are going to do with these training facilities...

See previous responses, lack of quote removes context- I was in a rush. Was addressing club commitment to SW.

Of which I believe there is a lot. As you've kindly edited out.

apologies, message now understood.
on another note, do people feel this is a satisfactory announcement

I really don't know which parallel universe some people live in who think Hock will be back at Wigan once Wane "goes", but they might want to read that statement from Wigan again. Hock won't be anywhere near Wigan while Lenagan is in charge.

However the universe does sound like a 60's acid den where people are protected from reality, so it can't be all bad.

What a brilliant job by leneghan, not caving in to player power. It's a shame that he has treated you this way after you have stood by him.

"Gareth Hock, we're having a party, bring your dummy and bring your charlie"

Hope you give him loads.

Wigan have made the best of a bad situation with Hock, it's not the best outcome as that would have been Hock playing for Wigan. However given the circumstances they have managed to offload a bad asset in pretty quick time. If they sacked him, he could go where he liked. If they did not find him a club, his wages would count against Wigan and hurt the squad for many years whilst he sat on his backside getting money for nothing.

Hock has probably ended up in the worse place he could be, little chance of winning anything, playing for a team that he has had to take as an emergency last resort. If you listen to his interview, when he is asked about being excited to be building up Widnes to be a big club like Wigan, he talks about what his mates have told him. This to me indicates that he has had to take what has been given to him at the end, rather than making a serious choice having discussed all possible options.

Also those hoping he will return to Wigan once Wane is gone.
1. On the VT he is asked about returning to Wigan, he says no.
2. Wane has not published the statement, IL has, so he will need to mend bridges, not just wait for Wane to depart
3. Wane won the league last year, so far he has one of the 3 trophies that MM won and only had half the time given to MM. Who is to say that Wane is performing badly, given there are only 3 trophies to get he's hardly a poor coach. So if Hock is waiting for him to go, he could be waiting some time.

Not a great day for Wigan, a worse day for Hock, Widnes ???????? could be good, could be a bad idea to have all mates playing together and socialising together.

Ultimately, IL's comments about Hock messing Maguire about as well as Wane nullify all the statements to the effect that Wane is somehow in the wrong. Clearly, Hock has an issue with coaches - i.e. those in charge of imposing discipline on him. For that reason alone, I strongly doubt he will ever play for Wigan again. IL's own comments - about Hock letting the club down - then seem to reinforce this.

Those insisting that it's a waiting game for Wane to get his marching orders, sound increasingly like Gareth's mates, parroting what the player himself hopes for rather than what he seriously expects.

Can someone please PM me the rumour that everyone seems to know apart from me.

Any chance of a PM?

Am rather curious myself..

Aby chance of a pm?

another pm request please.

Pm for me to please I love a good conspiracy theory!

Another PM request please.

I'll happily retract any criticism of Hock if you can shed some light on the situation.

Can someone please pm me, I'd love to know the truth. Cheers

There's optimism for you.

So shocking it can't be read out in public.

I mean, what's suspicious about that picture?