Quote ="BlackKnight"Yet when I said that we would try and avoid the game descending into a ugly mess; you suggested that we would be looking to turn it into a penalty-a-thon on Saturday night as we were the most penalised team in the league - make up your mind. In both losses to leeds this year; leeds have sought to stop rugby being played and to turn it into a grudge match. McClennan clearly instructs players to use intimidation and dirty tactics.'"
No i didnt, i said out of either of the teams, the team with the highest penalty count over the season would likely be the one to benefit from the game being high in penalties. More inferring it would be counter-productive for Leeds to conspire for a high penalty count rather than Wigan would look to be turning it into a high penalty count game.
Quote I never said that the fault laid at the door of everyone else first. What I said was that the pressure put on inept referees by the like of Kear and McClennan has had an effect. Likewise some teams - leeds being a prime example have bitched and whined at referees throughout the game to try and put pressure on to force them to give penalties.'"
Or maybe, just maybe, Wigan have a high penalty count because THEY play to the edge of the rules and often step over that line. It is Wigans fault they are the most penalised in the league no-one elses.
Quote Big bad leeds - don't be silly. Cheap shot merchants would be a better description; with the coach be the worst culprit for trying to paint his team as "Angels". Anyone who heard his comments over the Ablett incident who could have no doubt he was a total and utter disgrace to the game! Trying to play the ball - the only thing that Ablett tried to do was break Tomkins jaw with his forearm. If that had been Joel Tomkins on Burrow then you would have demanded that he be banned for life.
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I havent heard McClennan ever call for anyone to be banned for life. Wigan have their fair share of cheapshot merchants (if thats the words we are using) Andy Coley, Joel Tomkins,
Quote It's funny - but I have yet to see the leeds thugs go after anyone from Wigan who is prepared to mix it. They seem to go almost exclusively for one player. But I am sure that you will say that the Wigan fans who accuse your coach of bringing cheap thuggery into the game as being paranoid.'"
well, yes. And im know you would say similar if when someone accuses Maguire bringing in dirty tactics and cheap thuggery into the game as being paranoid aswell.
Quote Tomkins discipline needs work - a lot of Wigan fans suggested he should have been banned for the silly kick on McGuire (elbow to the face not withstanding). However I have yet to see any leeds fan say the same about the leeds team's discipline.'"
I think you will find it has been a common theme on the Leeds board to criticise Leeds discipline this year. We have given away far too many silly penalties this year.
You cant help yourself can you, Mcguires elbow to the face
Quote Playing to the limit of the rules is done by every single team in the league. Be it not being back ten, inching forward before the play of the ball, not standing square etc etc. However due to the media attention for Wigan's wrestling defense (large down to sky's trained chimps); I do think that Wigan have AT TIMES been unfairly penalised. I also think that some of the punishments handed out by referees and the RFL have at time been ridiculous (like the examples I gave which you didn't pass comment on). Here's another: Stuart Fielden was banned for throwing a punch after a confrontation that involved an opposition player deliberately trying to damage his ankel ligaments. He was banned for a match. Matt King and Paul Wood of wire both threw punches in a confrontation on Saturday (Wood ran 20 metres to do so) neither were even charged.'"
I think all fans could point to similar inconsistancies. You have already admitted Tomkins should have been banned, but wasnt. It does seem paranoid that you highlight Fielden being banned and king not, but then forget Tomkins wasnt banned twice when he should have been.
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The difference between the leeds and Wigan coaching staff has been one camp has bitched whined and complained and sought to justify their players foul play. Constantly appealing against bans and crying in the press rather than accept the punishment. I don't think that Riddell would have had a go at McGuire had he known the extent of his injury; however considering the amount of pain that McGuire would have been in; I doubt he paid much attention to it anyway. McClennan and Peacock have simple tried to use this to deflect blame away from McGuire for what he did. I have yet to see a single leeds fan criticise McGuire for what was a incredibly cynical professional foul in what was a very unsatisfactory end to what had been a riveting game. They have all said that "you would have done the same" as if two wrongs would have made a right. Some have even claimed that McGuire was trying to steady himself on Carmont! Blindly refusing to accept what he did was wrong.'"
of course we wouldnt criticise Mcguire, as you have already admitted
Quote Playing to the limit of the rules is done by every single team in the league. Be it not being back ten, inching forward before the play of the ball, not standing square etc etc.'"
Why would they criticise a player for something that happens a hundred times a season and that all teams do? There is no need to criticise Mcguire it was a nothing incident that just happened to be at the end of a close game so was blown out of all proportion. It would be naive for you to say there would have been the same reaction to Mcguire obstructing a chaser had it happened in the 1st minute rather than the last, and just as naive to pretend the offence was any different because it happened in the last minute rather than the 1st
Quote For Peacock to say that shouting at a downed opponent was cowardly, when he himself tried to take the head off of a player that is half his size in a recent match (before high-fiving his thug mates) is a bit rich'"
It was cowardly, it was harsh and it was uncalled for, and i dont disagree with you when you say
Quote I don't think that Riddell would have had a go at McGuire had he known the extent of his injury;
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but its disappointing that whilst Leulaui (and good on him for doing so) took the time to apologise because he knew he was out of order, Riddell didnt have the same class. After all, it is just a game.
You cant help yourself can you, Mcguires elbow to the face 
You've a bigger brass neck than Clarkey posting that!
