Can’t knock your optimism and I want to be able to believe you. But I can’t. It feels almost delusional, and that’s not said in a derogatory way towards you. Paul Sculthorpe nailed it with his comments on our pack and Lam aside that’s a huge issue. We have no go forward whatsoever from our props who throw in the occasional half decent drive. Hastings/Smith can’t play off the back of that.

We may rid ourselves of Lam but we’d still have the pack issue and that alone IMO stops us winning a GF if we could ever even be back in the race.

On the bus back from the Barcelona game I was fully subscribed to Lam out.

He won me over last year.

This year though has been an absolute disaster.

Time to make a statement.

Enough is enough and there’s been plenty of us banging that drum for months. But is isn’t enough. IFL will not sack Lam, I can almost guarantee he’ll still be at the helm come Leeds next week. And we’ll reignite this thread saying the same old things

I’m just saying it possible, I said we could bounce back after the semi defeat to Leeds last year and got shot down and it nearly came to fruition. I will stand by the statement that I don’t think Saints are all that, not as good as last year and we nearly beat them last season.

Lam shouldn’t be here really the club is going and has been going backwards at a hell of a rate of knots under his “vision”time to go way to late in my opinion

Any new coach who comes in at the moment does so knowing they are unsackable.

IFL needs to show some leadership and strength and make a statement by doing what needs to be done.

As I said above he also needs to let Rads go too.

New broom required at all levels.

I am in no way saying it’s likely but i think there is a chance. We came within a whisker of winning last year and our pack was no better than this year, probably worse.

I’ve asked this on a previous thread and got no responses. Who would you all bring in to replace Lam?

Would you go down the Saints model of NRL assistant coaches or the Warrington model of coaches from superleague Mid table teams?

If Matty Peet is at the helm after Lam, I can’t see anything changing. Peet, Winder, Lockers, Leuluai and Goulding are all entrenched in the current systems and culture at the club and a complete change is required, supported by investment in the squad.

Not many people have backed Lammy more than me but I’m left bereft of any optimism this season. I’m not sure he’ll be sacked but we are desperate for changes, and soon!

The guy is here for a holiday.
I hear he spends more time in the Bowling Green than he does at Robin Park

If Matty Peet is at the helm after Lam, I can’t see anything changing. Peet, Winder, Lockers, Leuluai and Goulding are all entrenched in the current systems and culture at the club and a complete change is required, supported by investment in the squad.

Not many people have backed Lammy more than me but I’m left bereft of any optimism this season. I’m not sure he’ll be sacked but we are desperate for changes, and soon!

Next years coaching team are already at the club.

Peet and Wane.

The guy is here for a holiday.
I hear he spends more time in the Bowling Green than he does at Robin Park

NRL without a doubt. Last season I’d have said Ian Watson but I’m thinking we were prudent not to have moved for him. Danny Ward has lots of potential but I’d still want an NRL assistant to come over and rejuvenate the club ala Michael Maguire.

I wish this would be announced, then I know I'll need to follow a different sport.

A coach needs an aura they need to be respected.

It’s a somewhat anecdotal point but seeing Lam in skinny jeans, winkle pickers, shirt and jacket purchased from Mothercare after the game I did wonder if he had turned up to send his team to war with our fiercest rivals or go up town for a couple of Babychamps with the rest of his 19 year old “crew”.

Sounds like when he was here as a player in Walkabout.

There isn't one ready at the min.

You look at the coaching movements over the last 24.months, all the good assistants have been given a shot. We're prob looking 24 month's before there's someone ready too cherry pick.

I wish we'd have signed McDermott a few months ago. He'd have settled us for this year and made it a lot easier for whoever replaces Lam. We certainly wouldn't have turned out a performance like that under him.

I know nothing of the NRL so that’s news (and a surprise) to me. I agree re McDermott and in all honesty I’d take him on a 2yr deal at the moment.

I might be wrong and others might know better than me, but there's certainly a few names who've either stepped up or are due to step up next year.

I guess it's a case of, how many options are there.

To be honest the game went as expected, shows how far we have fallen.

Season over.

The only ones I know of who would have fitted the bill were Demetriou and Fitzgibbon both of who have signed Head Coach deals for next season (I think). Other than that I’ve no idea. I’d imagine there is someone but if what you’re saying is true, and I’ve no reason to doubt that, that’s question and concern is; is he ready? If the answer is no the only viable option IMO is Brian McDermott.

I’m in agreement, for a number of reasons this season is a write off.

If indeed Peet is to take over next year with SOL and TL then we need to make that change now.

I also agree with the idea we need someone from outside to bring in fresh ideas, whether that be as an assistant or head depends on who is available. I’d welcome McDermott, even if it was until the end of the year to stabilise things a bit.

The ideal replacement would be Flanagan.

We know though who it is and good look to him, he’s earned his shot.

Rads time to show he’s ruthless enough for this job is right now. The only reason not to get rid of Lam is that he’s Rads mate and Rads doesn’t want to risk a friendship. He was brought in as a caretaker and had stayed for nearly three seasons. The whole Edwards/Lam debacle continues to bite us and it’s blotted what’s been an incredible time for Ian Lenagan here.