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| I haven't seen the game but how did Warrington attack down the right now they have lost the Breirs/Monaghan combination that seemed to keep defences over stretched.
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| Good performance from Saints, Wire were poor and made lots of errors, from what I saw last week though I think Huddersfield would have beaten either last night, long, long way to go this season yet, looking forward to it all !!!
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| Quote leg_end="leg_end"I have thought that myself for quite a while now.
No mention though of the high shots. Oh! of course it's only Wigan who do that isn't it!!!'"
Haha.
In the case of Wilkin and Turner I think they just got done with good footwork and there was no intent. Turner in particular looked genuinely apologetic and he held his hands up to what was a clumsy tackle.
Soliola on the other hand came running onto the field as though he was looking for trouble and he lacked composure. He was forgetting his position in the defensive line and homing in on attackers from all angles. I don't think the high tackle deserved a red card or a ban but it wasn't a nice challenge at all and deserved going on report and him receiving a warning. He needs to be careful.
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| Warrington were woeful, looked like a team with the heart ripped out of them, pack was dominated, Myler went MIA, really missing Morley, Carvell and Briers.
The interchange of Morley, Carvell and Monaghan used to give me nightmares, at least this season I will get a good nights sleep!
that said, its not how you start the season, its how you finish it that matters.
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| When I saw how weak/inexperienced the Wire bench was I fancied Saints strongly. Saints used their subs very well knowing what Wire had on the bench (four changes in the first 20 minutes)
If Wire had Wood, Monaghan, Harrison and Currie on the bench then I think it would have been a much closer game.
Percival is getting a bit of stick for that first try, but I think you'll find Wheeler is too far infield and there is no covering second rower. I'm not sure Percival could have done much else.
I wonder if Brown will comment on the high tackles.  The Wilkin one probably came off the shoulder, Turner was beaten by the step, but Soliolas was a bad tackle.
It'll be interesting to see what the review panel come up with.
Just on the first point Tony Smith has a lot to answer for. He has hardly given his young players any game time over the last couple of years.
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| Quote The Yellow Giraffe="The Yellow Giraffe"Haha.
In the case of Wilkin and Turner I think they just got done with good footwork and there was no intent. Turner in particular looked genuinely apologetic and he held his hands up to what was a clumsy tackle.
Soliola on the other hand came running onto the field as though he was looking for trouble and he lacked composure. He was forgetting his position in the defensive line and homing in on attackers from all angles. I don't think the high tackle deserved a red card or a ban but it wasn't a nice challenge at all and deserved going on report and him receiving a warning. He needs to be careful.'"
I think that there was a lot of intent in Soliola's tackle and I am sure that if the officials had seen it then stronger action would have been taken. I said last week that Bowen should have been suspended but he got away with it because, allegedly, he made contact with the shoulder first! I am of the same opinion about Soliola, he should be suspended. I am sure that if that tackle had been made on Walsh then Brown and the whole of St Helens would have been calling for blood. If we are not careful then a foul that the RFL has worked hard to eradicate (head tackles) will creep back into the game.
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| Quote Sweaty Betty's="Sweaty Betty's"I think that there was a lot of intent in Soliola's tackle and I am sure that if the officials had seen it then stronger action would have been taken. I said last week that Bowen should have been suspended but he got away with it because, allegedly, he made contact with the shoulder first! I am of the same opinion about Soliola, he should be suspended. I am sure that if that tackle had been made on Walsh then Brown and the whole of St Helens would have been calling for blood. If we are not careful then a foul that the RFL has worked hard to eradicate (head tackles) will creep back into the game.'"
I'd agree that Soliola was looking to hurt people last night, whether he intended on hitting him high I honestly don't know, but I doubt it.
In normal circumstances I can see why he would get a ban and I wouldn't have too much of a complaint. However after letting Bowen off last week, the RFL are on dangerous ground now and banning Soliola a week after not banning Bowen would just look stupid in my opinion. It wouldn't surprise me though.
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| Quote The Yellow Giraffe="The Yellow Giraffe"I'd agree that Soliola was looking to hurt people last night, whether he intended on hitting him high I honestly don't know, but I doubt it.
In normal circumstances I can see why he would get a ban and I wouldn't have too much of a complaint. However after letting Bowen off last week, the RFL are on dangerous ground now and banning Soliola a week after not banning Bowen would just look stupid in my opinion. It wouldn't surprise me though.'"
And you wonder why every one thinks you're nothing but a WUM. At least the majority of Wigan fans admitted Bowen should have walked and probably deserved a ban. Yet you think Soliola was just poorly aggressive and a warning is sufficient.
Soliola should have got at least 10 and a match ban or been sent off for the attack, he certainly didn't miss Monaghan's throat.
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| Although it is only the first round of SL there could be ominous signs for Wigan this year. We had our pack dominated last week and they didn't perform fantastically against NZ Warriors by all accounts.
The Saints have a fantastic forward pack and it released Roby & Walsh in dangerous positions which totally overwhelmed Warrington. I think if Wigan get into a battle down the middle we might struggle to get into the positions we need. If Saints do so, especially with Masoe to come into the squad, Walsh and Roby could embarrass us in the same way.
It's good we've seen such an effective performance by the Saints so early in the season. Hopefully Wane will look at a different gameplan in defeating the old enemy come Good Friday. Either way, it offers to be the most exciting Good Friday since Maguire's first season in charge at Wigan. Roll on Easter!
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| Quote Enicomb="Enicomb"And you wonder why every one thinks you're nothing but a WUM. At least the majority of Wigan fans admitted Bowen should have walked and probably deserved a ban. Yet you think Soliola was just poorly aggressive and a warning is sufficient.
Soliola should have got at least 10 and a match ban or been sent off for the attack, he certainly didn't miss Monaghan's throat.'"
Read it again. I said that in normal circumstances I wouldn't agree with a ban but after Bowen got off, it would make the RFL look silly banning Soliola.
How is that anything like what you have just accused me of?
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| Quote The Yellow Giraffe="The Yellow Giraffe"Read it again. I said that in normal circumstances I wouldn't agree with a ban but after Bowen got off, it would make the RFL look silly banning Soliola.
How is that anything like what you have just accused me of?'"
This is normal circumstances.
Bowen should have got a match ban and sent off or binned at the time. Soliala should have been looking at the same, although at least Bowen didn't hit quite as squarely in the the throat as Soliola did.
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| People think the teams played well? That is surprising. I'd have to see the error count from both teams, but there seemed to be a lot of dropped ball, silly pens, high tackes and passes to no one.
On top of all this Wire looked like a team without a leader, without direction, which is understandable after loosing Briers. If anything, Saints caught them at a good time.
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