I don't think everything that's gone wrong can be wholly pinned on SW as a lot of posters have been trying to do for the last couple of years. However, injuries and heads being turned by the dark side can only serve to highlight the lack of depth of talent we appear to be suffering. Dire kicking aside, metronomic plays are only effective when they're new and innovative, but we've simply been found out this year and the rest of the league has worked out how to nullify our attack. This in turn exposes the lack of a plan B from Wane and I think his time is up regardless of where we finish (I just don't have confidence in the squad to get their heads screwed on proper & put a coherent performance together for what's left of the season and it'll be up hill from 4th anyway). I've always been a fan of SW, and it saddens me to accept this.

But what bothers me more is who's likely to replace him? None of the current SL coaches are likely to be persuaded to move (Sheens' worth has to be called into question regardless whether Salford are relegated, although most of that is probably at the mad doctor's door). I'm not convinced I'd want any of them anyway - maybe Radford. Also, I'm not sure who's out of contract in the NRL or if IL would be prepared to shake the moths from his wallet. Who does that leave? MacBanana, John Kear or it's not beyond the realms of possibility IL will save a few bob & promote Matty Peet.

Season ticket price hikes better not be another 10% again this year or I'll be questioning whether a full ticket - or any flavour for that matter - is justified. Keeping the faith is a bit difficult at the moment.

A lot of what has happened to us in the last few years is Wane's fault, ever since we lost Deacon, our attack has dropped like a rocket and that's simply because Wane has absolutely no clue what to do in attack, when he played he was a prop which just about says it all. We need a complete clear out top to bottom staff wise, Shaun Wane and John Winder both need to go because quite frankly their crap, Who do you bring in as coach and assistant? Difficult one, you could try bring Maguire back, I know his attacking play isn't the best but it's hella better than Wane's.

Assistant wise if promote Matty Peet, he's done a good job with the youngsters and deserves a chance at first team, the one thing we need is an attack coach, what we should of done was bring Leuluai back as an attack coach, he would of freshened ideas up and got us scoring more points. It tells you all you need to know when the current attack coaches are the players, Tomkins Smith and O'Loughlin should not be attacking coaches, 2 of them are always injured/playing with injures and the other is simply not good enough

If we want to win anything next year we need new ideas and that's starts right at the top, bring in a new Coach, Assistant and attack coach with quality, most likley from Australia, the squad is good enough, it just needs someone coaching it good enough

What we have established in this thread is that everyone wants him gone but nobody has come up with a valid replacement, at all.

How many people would have picked Maguire out as a serious contender back in the day?

There's always going to be someone available.

Garth Brennan would be my choice.

He's coached every ounce of skill out of that side, since Deacs and Harris have left we've gone backwards at an alarming rate. The potential our side could have is quite scary and a decent attacking coach would have a field day with it, S Tomkins, Charnley, Manfredi, Wiliams, Bateman, Farrell, Lockers etc and all that we can produce is the same grubber kick into a corner week in week out. We are a horrible side to watch and at present do not deserve to be 3rd!

Wane's passion is there for all to clearly see but it's not enough IMO, same excuses every week and his determination to have a full 13 of Wigan lads is becoming increasingly cringeworthy.

If we don't get rid then we need to find a quality attacking coach to join our ranks as ASAP.

And why would all these posters be privi to know who's available and who's not, as I presume most are not in the rugby agent sector to know who's to sign and who's not to sign.

Based on what? Not having a go just never heard of him.

Quote ="PurpleCheeseWarrior" Quote ="MadDogg"Garth Brennan would be my choice.'" Based on what? Not having a go just never heard of him.'" No worries. Dont claim to be an expert on the guy but I would go for him because of the rave reviews he's received from prominent figures in the game, his success in the NRL feeder comp and the fact that he is at the stage of his career where he could be a realistic target for us. Plus no other English coaches excite me (bar maybe Darryl Powell who I doubt would come) and that I think we need fresh ideas from the Australian game. www.theherald.com.au/story/26969 ... hil-gould/ www.skysports.com/rugby-league/n ... per-league

Quote ="PurpleCheeseWarrior" Quote ="MadDogg"Garth Brennan would be my choice.'" Based on what? Not having a go just never heard of him.'" No worries. Dont claim to be an expert on the guy but I would go for him because of the rave reviews he's received from prominent figures in the game, his success in the NRL feeder comp and the fact that he is at the stage of his career where he could be a realistic target for us. Plus no other English coaches excite me (bar maybe Darryl Powell who I doubt would come) and that I think we need fresh ideas from the Australian game. www.theherald.com.au/story/26969 ... hil-gould/ www.skysports.com/rugby-league/n ... per-league

Yet you mention six of them in your post!
And just out of curiosity how many times have those seven taken the field together this season.

Personally I think a coach only has a "shelf life" of five or six seasons unless the playing staff changes by large amounts over that time.

Quote ="MadDogg"No worries. Dont claim to be an expert on the guy but I would go for him because of the rave reviews he's received from prominent figures in the game, his success in the NRL feeder comp and the fact that he is at the stage of his career where he could be a realistic target for us. Plus no other English coaches excite me (bar maybe Darryl Powell who I doubt would come) and that I think we need fresh ideas from the Australian game. www.theherald.com.au/story/26969 ... hil-gould/ www.skysports.com/rugby-league/n ... per-league'" Obvious similarities there with Maguire, could definitely be an option. Although if the club are looking long term they may be put off as he'd no doubt bugger off back to Aus after a couple years. Powell is a good shout he's been great at Cas and they play the best rugby in SL by a mile. What makes you think he wouldn't join a club like Wigan? I think he'd jump at the chance.

Quote ="MadDogg"No worries. Dont claim to be an expert on the guy but I would go for him because of the rave reviews he's received from prominent figures in the game, his success in the NRL feeder comp and the fact that he is at the stage of his career where he could be a realistic target for us. Plus no other English coaches excite me (bar maybe Darryl Powell who I doubt would come) and that I think we need fresh ideas from the Australian game. www.theherald.com.au/story/26969 ... hil-gould/ www.skysports.com/rugby-league/n ... per-league'" Obvious similarities there with Maguire, could definitely be an option. Although if the club are looking long term they may be put off as he'd no doubt bugger off back to Aus after a couple years. Powell is a good shout he's been great at Cas and they play the best rugby in SL by a mile. What makes you think he wouldn't join a club like Wigan? I think he'd jump at the chance.

Trent Robinson?

Can't disagree with this at all. I hoped we'd have a replacement for Deacs soon after he left, but it quickly became obvious we were doing stuff on the cheap. One question (rhetorical) is though: who's got the whip hand? Is it IL refusing to splash the cash, or is it Rads and/or Wane persuading him that we can cope. Is there anyone with a rugby brain actually looking at the bigger picture?

I suspect it'll be Wire & Hull in the final (we'll never hear the last of it if the Stainers get there & do one, having written them off several times over the year) and then perhaps we can have an announcement.

You are one of the most fervent Wigan fans without a doubt Rogues and your opinions are very well thought out and balanced
So where do you stand in this Wane out debate and what are your opinions regarding how our club has regressed since his appointment?

Adrian Lam would be my first choice as our next head coach with Lockers as his assistant
Thoughts guys?

The point I was making, is that the "replacement" has to be someone is that is available, wants to come to Wigan, and has a credible CV. Not sure why some people assume Australian coaches will drop everything and come to Wigan. Theres loads to take into account, they mave have a young settled family in OZ etc etc.

Has Lam actually achieved anything coaching wise? Or are people just convinced because he played for us? Genuine question.

As I stated above, I think his time has run BUT I wouldn't have a major problem with ONE more year. To be fair to him he's been dealt a real poor hand this year with the injury situation and it's a credit to him for Wigan to be where they are (look at Leeds who have had similar problems) Should we put a director of rugby above him as Salford did? Certainly the "style" of rugby has been poor to watch, but is that down to Wane or the constant changes he's had to make? I honestly don't know, and "our group" have spent hours debating it, without resolution

I've had an hours phone conversation today on the subject!!
I love the club and the game in general.

IL and KR have big decisions to make, I trust they feel the same way about Wigan RLFC as I do and have/will do the right thing.

On your point of regression, in Wanes first season we played a far more expansive game than we ever did under Maguire. Is it a case of players win games, coaches win them.

As you probably know I watch a lot of Wigan junior scholarship/ academy games and would hate us to follow the Hull model of eight overseas players in the squad, it bothers ME as an RL fan that has been allowed to happen. Maybe that's for a different discussion, but I believe it's related.

I think we should merge our academy with Saints so we can spend a load of money elsewhere in the club and sign 5 players from the NRL. It works for some.

Mal Meninga certainly rates him as he has had Lammy in his Queensland and now his Australian back room staff
Lammy deserves a shot as head coach and as everyone knows it's not always easy to get that opportunity in the NRL

So IMO he would jump at the chance of coaching Wigan Warriors

But no-one can know what any coach would think about the prospect of coaching Wigan, not just those in Australia. We can only speculate on [ipotential[/i targets.

You do realise that we run an Under 23's team too?

You mean a reserves team? The ones that have about 5 games a year?

Or 16 games!

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You've got to strike a balance. Hull have 8 in the squad yes (although Feka was only really kept because we want him for a community development role and he wasn't quite ready to hang up his boots), and that is on the high side. On the other hand 8 members of the cup final winning side were Hull lads, and our squad is packed with academy products. As it stands our overseas total for next year sits at 6.

Wigan's model of having almost a full team of local talent is very noble, but if the players aren't good enough, then what is it achieving? It helps neither Wigan or the national team. An aspiring young player will learn more by playing along side a Mark Minichiello or Sika Manu than they would just being chucked in alongside his mates from the under 19's.