Like it a lot

Rugby League fans (such as Mr Sephton...) are embarrassing at times

Is there any other sport where fans fight so hard to deride other teams for trying to promote the sport?

Wigan's current marketing and promotional work is something that every single other SL club should be aspiring to.

Match Atmosphere comes at a price...in this case a fiver...most of you wigan fans thoroughly enoyed it...despite the result.

It was a fantastic piece of marketing by Wigan. Lets not forget that Saints "gave away" Junior Season tickets if a Season ticket holder bought a replica shirt. How many did that add to their attendances this year, wether they turned up or not?
Im not knocking Saints for this, anything that gets people through the gates is fine by me.

You have got to be taken the p155?!!!!!!

are you saying a club getting 300 in a 400 capacity ground is more impressive than a club getting 50,000 in a 80,000 capacity ground?!!!

Well to answer my own question, yes it is! Poor scouser!

Dont you mean no it isnt?

No, yes it is! Thats is what he is saying!

i think you meant, "yes, you do"

gawwwd, i wish i hadn't have put anything!

When all is said and done we need big crowds at all our grounds. In the current climate we should be looking at getting families of four in for £25

Especially as you regularly go home the losers.

In business terms and profit margins probably a yes.

20000@ £10 ..........£200 000 (Wigoon Land)
15000@ £16.......... £240 000 (Saints Ghetto)

No wonder y0ur club can,t buy any decent players if the club is mathematical deficient.

You have not included for any refreshments in your total, the queues were there all through the game

It isn't an embarrassment. It's an artifact!

Besides, someone had to pay for the dodgy floodlight (along with the dodgy roofs and dodgy toilets and dodgy pretty much everything else). I think all the money from the gate goes into just keeping Knowsley Road standing. It's, er, why we need a new stadium!

At least you get a roof at your end, unlike when you visit Leeds (who charge £20 for the privilege). Just a pity more of you didn't turn up on Friday. There were fewer of you than the last time you played at our place but I thought there would be more given that you beat us the previous time out.

Surely, as you are all such wonderful suportive fans, you should be able to fill the "Artifact" all on your own, each week, But for some reason, you get nowhere near. God help you if you ever become less succesful..

Will you be using the 2500 fans at Central Park when you got relegated as a typical example.

If you're going to compare at least compare like for like opponents (and using your maths formula):

[uWigan[/u
22,000 @ £16 ...........£352,000 v Stains at JJB
20,000 @ £10 ...........£200,000 v Leeds at JJB

[uTotal Revenue - £552,000[/u


[uStains[/u
15,000 @ £16 ...........£240,000 v Wigan at KR
14,000 @ £16 ............£224,000 v Leeds at KR

[uTotal Revenue - £464,000[/u


Then again we could discuss revenue for over the season as both Wigan & Stains have had 11 home games, Hell.....I'll even knock a pound off the whole season to cover reduced prices for the Leeds game:

[uWigan[/u

Total attendance so far - 157,097 @ £15 = £2,356,455
Average so far= 14,282


[uStains[/u

Total attendance so far - 129188 @ £16 = £2,067,008
Average so far= 11,744

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Wigan - Warrington (h) 20K plus expected & Hull FC (h) 15K plus expected


Stains - Hudds (h) less than 10K expected, Catalans (h)less than 9K expected.

I'd expect Wigan to come in 400-500K over and above Stains at the end of the season.

So what was you saying about our club not buying any decent players as we are mathematically deficient?

You've just proved my point, if Wigan are say 0.5 million over Saints turnover, how come Wigan don,t have better players and are a more successful team than saints. Is it because saints players give better value for money and the wigan get there maths wrong by overpaying average players. Surely this mathematically deficient.

Also if you look at Asset values the Wigan club is of little value, where as in 2011 saints new stadium will have an asset value of £25 000 000.
Surely this is mathematically defecient.

It's because we are only two years of being a proper run club. Between late 1999 and late 2007 we were bankrolled appallingly by Dave Whelan who just never run the club in a proper way. That's why we did nothing on the field of play. Throughout that spelt it just went worse and worse and worse with no real idea of how to control the salary cap. Compare that to Saints who have been very well run and thats the difference between the clubs.

You can't just change it overnight but Lenegan will get there I'm confident of that.

Totally agree.

Talk about changing the Goalposts (or in this case Rugby Posts)



Suddenly you're now talking about players on the pitch and Stadium ownership.....not revenue from attendances (which is what you were initially insinuating)



Both clubs spend upto the maximum on the cap, players class, worth or performances are irrelevant.

Stadium ownership??? We have a 50 year lease with the Stadium Company, where we have 'as IL admitted' a very very generous tenancy. We don't have to worry about maintenance, costs...etc..!! It's all in the deal..!!

Given the choice which would you rather have?

A 50 year mortgage at £1200 per month and all the costs.

A 50 year lease at £250 per month from your millionaire mate to stay in his house, all expenses covered.

Don't state crap about passing the house down to dependants, this is a club! (Who's to say RL will even be being played professionally in 50 years)?


Oh and I'm 100% convinced that if we were ever served notice (which we won't) we would find the £25million for a new stadium within months anyway..!

Edge Hall Road is a pretty big asset on the Wigan balance sheet - Saints new stadium is still just aspiration for the moment.

As for the better players dig - the previous poster is on the money about the management situation, but its also a legacy of a supposed level playing field that Saints have been finding every risky loophole and fiddle possible to keep the team at the top. No surprises that since the tax loopholes were closed, there are now more outgoings at Saints than incomings. Good job you have some decent youngsters to fall back on for now, but don't tell me they are a straight substitute for the wages of Sculthorpe, Long, Gilmour, Cayless, Talau, etc, that will have disappeared over the last two years.

What the hell does that have to do with anything? Who is funding Stains new stadium?



A discussion about attendance revenues turns into a mystery valuation of a non-existant stadium

Think I would have the mortgage:

After 5 years I am going bankrupt, sell the house, get some residual value and I am saved.

After 5 years millionaire going bankrupt has to sell ground, tenant contract terminated, and as they say in the weakest link. "You go away with nothing".