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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"I'm saying non white people do not need to be told what's racist and offensive to them.
Just as a gypsy doesn't need to be told by me a non gypsy what terminology they should and should not find offensive.'"
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| Quote ="Pieman"so your saying no person needs to be told whats racist and offensive to them'"
Well in what context?
Someone calling someone a 'a stupid Scottish c u n t may not see the Scottish person take huge offense however that does not mean calling someone' a stupid Polynesian v u n t is not extremely offensive to the Polynesian on the receiving end of such abuse.
The real question should be why would Clubb feel he has to even use Savelio's ethnicity in the first place? Why not just use the C word? The fact that he felt the need to mention the ethnicity of Savelio to me speaks volumes. I just don't understand how one thinks like that.
I've had plenty arguments with people but not once have I even thought to use someone's ethnicity, race, nationality, religion against them let alone say such a thing.
If someones a prick they are a prick. I'll tell them that. What there race or nationality maybe is irrelevant and has no bearing on them being a prick so why the heck use them as well?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Again - it wasn't "Polynesian" that was the insult. Savelio[i is[/i Polynesian. Similarly if someone was called a "stupid Asian ****" it's not "Asian" that's the insult.
If Clubb called Savelio a "stupid Polynesian ****" he's saying that Savelio is stupid and a **** for [ibeing[/i Polynesian.'"
I get that but normally the Asian, black or whatever part of the insult is used because the person throwing the insult sees that as somehow inferior or beneath themselves. I've never seen or heard of that attitude with regard to Polynesians. To extend your analogy to call someone a white c**t wouldn't be seen as racist (rightly or wrongly). What I'm saying is I've never heard Polynesian used in this way either. I'm certainly not excusing it (you seem to be of the opinion that I am for some reason) I'm merely making the observation that it's a strange choice of phrase and not one that I have ever come across.
Could I ask if you have?
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| If anyone wants a example of why the sports of Football, Rugby League and Rugby Union are having a weekend boycott of social media, they only need to look at many of the comments about the alleged case of racist abuse in the Hull game.
To its credit, the rival website of Wigan Warriors Fans has closed down for the weekend in support of the boycott.
RL Fans should have done the same as social media is now out of control as proved by many of the comments we are now seeing these days.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"I get that but normally the Asian, black or whatever part of the insult is used because the person throwing the insult sees that as somehow inferior or beneath themselves. I've never seen or heard of that attitude with regard to Polynesians. To extend your analogy to call someone a white c**t wouldn't be seen as racist (rightly or wrongly). What I'm saying is I've never heard Polynesian used in this way either. I'm certainly not excusing it (you seem to be of the opinion that I am for some reason) I'm merely making the observation that it's a strange choice of phrase and not one that I have ever come across.
Could I ask if you have?'"
I've not heard it used in this context but there are hundreds, possibly thousands of ethnic groups you could say the same for. Using someone's ethnicity as part of an insult gives it a completely different context.
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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"If anyone wants a example of why the sports of Football, Rugby League and Rugby Union are having a weekend boycott of social media, they only need to look at many of the comments about the alleged case of racist abuse in the Hull game.
To its credit, the rival website of Wigan Warriors Fans has closed down for the weekend in support of the boycott.
RL Fans should have done the same as social media is now out of control as proved by many of the comments we are now seeing these days.'"
I don't think you have understood what that social media boycott is about.....at all. Maybe you could boycott social media for a while to make up for the rest of us not doing?
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| Rugby league fans discussing what is and isn’t racist. Jesus wept.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"I've not heard it used in this context but there are hundreds, possibly thousands of ethnic groups you could say the same for. Using someone's ethnicity as part of an insult gives it a completely different context.'"
I don't disagree but by that logic any ethnicity, including white, is racist when used in this context.
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| Quote ="Pie_Eyter"Neither is Polynesia. Its a place. Well, more specifically a group of islands.'"
It's a bit ambiguous as to whether or not it is a race. It is a group of islands, correct, but it seem that now it's a term used to describe a race of people, i.e. Tongan, Samoan, Maori... etc.
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| Quote ="Pemps"It's a bit ambiguous as to whether or not it is a race. It is a group of islands, correct, but it seem that now it's a term used to describe a race of people, i.e. Tongan, Samoan, Maori... etc.'"
Still doesn't make it racist though Pemps. I have a lot of Irish heritage and i get called a etc even though my Wigan accent is as broad as anybody's. I don't get offended by it. The same way as if somebody calls me a 'pie eating c**t' which happens practically every day. Savellio has implied that he has been racially abused when he actually hasn't. If there is any ban forthcoming then it should be for him for creating a media storm and descending a lynch mob this way. Everybody jumps on the race card at every opportunity when there hasn't even been any racism but when it reversed nobody bats an eyelid. I watched something a couple of weeks ago 'The great british sewing bee' (yes i am forced to) and an Asian woman on there said "just be confident, pretend you are a single straight white man" Brushed under the carpet after complaints. Anthony Joshua on a BLM rally "Hit them (White people) where it hurts, invest only in black run businesses" Loads of complaints, brushed under the carpet. Say something completely innocent against a non-white person and the media go into meltdown. The whole woke, snowflake, politically correct and easily offended folk in this country have turned it into an embarrassment.
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| Quote ="MadDogg"Not sure if its been mentioned on this thread but would have thought Jake Connor may be in danger of missing the quarter final - looked a deliberate high shot to Hardaker plus use of the elbow on the floor a little earlier than that (again on Hardaker). Would prefer him to play as I like seeing the best players on the field but it might be a question mark.
There will definitely be no shortage of emotion in this game. Keeping cool might be the message from both coaches this week.'"
Havard as well for his late bump on a passer, the disciplinary have been quite keen on that the past few weeks
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| Quote ="Pie_Eyter". The whole woke, snowflake, politically correct and easily offended folk in this country have turned it into an embarrassment.'"
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| Quote ="Pie_Eyter"Still doesn't make it racist though Pemps. I have a lot of Irish heritage and i get called a travelling friend etc even though my Wigan accent is as broad as anybody's. I don't get offended by it. The same way as if somebody calls me a 'pie eating c**t' which happens practically every day. Savellio has implied that he has been racially abused when he actually hasn't. If there is any ban forthcoming then it should be for him for creating a media storm and descending a lynch mob this way. Everybody jumps on the race card at every opportunity when there hasn't even been any racism but when it reversed nobody bats an eyelid. I watched something a couple of weeks ago 'The great british sewing bee' (yes i am forced to) and an Asian woman on there said "just be confident, pretend you are a single straight white man" Brushed under the carpet after complaints. Anthony Joshua on a BLM rally "Hit them (White people) where it hurts, invest only in black run businesses" Loads of complaints, brushed under the carpet. Say something completely innocent against a non-white person and the media go into meltdown. The whole woke, snowflake, politically correct and easily offended folk in this country have turned it into an embarrassment.'"
Is this a serious post?
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| Quote ="Mike1970"Is this a serious post?'"
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"I'd be worried if it is.'"
Scary isn’t it. It just shows that the internet allows people’s true colours to shine through.
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| Quote ="Pie_Eyter"Still doesn't make it racist though Pemps. I have a lot of Irish heritage and i get called a travelling friend etc even though my Wigan accent is as broad as anybody's. I don't get offended by it. The same way as if somebody calls me a 'pie eating c**t' which happens practically every day. Savellio has implied that he has been racially abused when he actually hasn't. If there is any ban forthcoming then it should be for him for creating a media storm and descending a lynch mob this way. Everybody jumps on the race card at every opportunity when there hasn't even been any racism but when it reversed nobody bats an eyelid. I watched something a couple of weeks ago 'The great british sewing bee' (yes i am forced to) and an Asian woman on there said "just be confident, pretend you are a single straight white man" Brushed under the carpet after complaints. Anthony Joshua on a BLM rally "Hit them (White people) where it hurts, invest only in black run businesses" Loads of complaints, brushed under the carpet. Say something[size=200 completely innocent against a non-white person[/size and the media go into meltdown. The whole woke, snowflake, politically correct and easily offended folk in this country have turned it into an embarrassment.'"
"You polynesian c*nt"
Doesn't seem very innocent to me.
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| Quote ="Pie_Eyter"Still doesn't make it racist though Pemps. I have a lot of Irish heritage and i get called a travelling friend etc even though my Wigan accent is as broad as anybody's. I don't get offended by it. The same way as if somebody calls me a 'pie eating c**t' which happens practically every day. Savellio has implied that he has been racially abused when he actually hasn't. If there is any ban forthcoming then it should be for him for creating a media storm and descending a lynch mob this way. Everybody jumps on the race card at every opportunity when there hasn't even been any racism but when it reversed nobody bats an eyelid. I watched something a couple of weeks ago 'The great british sewing bee' (yes i am forced to) and an Asian woman on there said "just be confident, pretend you are a single straight white man" Brushed under the carpet after complaints. Anthony Joshua on a BLM rally "Hit them (White people) where it hurts, invest only in black run businesses" Loads of complaints, brushed under the carpet. Say something completely innocent against a non-white person and the media go into meltdown. The whole woke, snowflake, politically correct and easily offended folk in this country have turned it into an embarrassment.'"
Wow.
If Clubb says “you silly ” fine. He’s essentially saying he’s a “” because he’s silly.
Clubb (allegedly) says “you silly Polynesian ” which in turn means he’s essentially saying Savellio is a “silly ” because he’s Polynesian.
If someone says to you “you silly English ” some may find it offensive, some may not but it’s down to your own perception. Do you perceive it to be hate related because you’re English? If so that [ican[/i make it a racially aggravated offence. Just because you don’t perceive it to be racist, which I’m astounded you don’t, doesn’t mean it isn’t.
You know it’s ironic you’re calling everyone else ‘woke, snowflakes, politically correct and easily offended’ when you sit there and have the gall to get offended at The Great British Sewing Bee. A single straight white man hasn’t faced discrimination, isn’t given abuse online about his skin colour or sexual orientation, doesn’t face barriers for work/leisure. I never did, not once but I know of a black friend who has multiple times.
As it happens I was frustrated with AJ’s comments, especially as a fan who pays to see all his fights but on the flip side I can completely understand why. Racism is rife in our communities. It’s online everyday, simply look at any post a BAME sports player puts on social media and I guarantee there’s a racist response. Society has sat back and done nothing about it except our fingers in our ears and pretend it’s not happening. Do I think sometimes the race card is played unnecessarily? Absolutely. Just like you playing the ‘woke snowflake’ card.
‘The whole woke, snowflake, politically correct and easily offended folk in this country have turned it into an embarrassment’? Nah, it’s people like you happy to live in a world of discrimination and racism at every level.
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| Quote ="100% Warrior"Wow.
If Clubb says “you silly spiffing chap” fine. He’s essentially saying he’s a “spiffing chap” because he’s silly.
Clubb (allegedly) says “you silly Polynesian spiffing chap” which in turn means he’s essentially saying Savellio is a “silly spiffing chap” because he’s Polynesian.
If someone says to you “you silly English spiffing chap” some may find it offensive, some may not but it’s down to your own perception. Do you perceive it to be hate related because you’re English? If so that [ican[/i make it a racially aggravated offence. Just because you don’t perceive it to be racist, which I’m astounded you don’t, doesn’t mean it isn’t.
You know it’s ironic you’re calling everyone else ‘woke, snowflakes, politically correct and easily offended’ when you sit there and have the gall to get offended at The Great British Sewing Bee. A single straight white man hasn’t faced discrimination, isn’t given abuse online about his skin colour or sexual orientation, doesn’t face barriers for work/leisure. I never did, not once but I know of a black friend who has multiple times.
As it happens I was frustrated with AJ’s comments, especially as a fan who pays to see all his fights but on the flip side I can completely understand why. Racism is rife in our communities. It’s online everyday, simply look at any post a BAME sports player puts on social media and I guarantee there’s a racist response. Society has sat back and done nothing about it except our fingers in our ears and pretend it’s not happening. Do I think sometimes the race card is played unnecessarily? Absolutely. Just like you playing the ‘woke snowflake’ card.
‘The whole woke, snowflake, politically correct and easily offended folk in this country have turned it into an embarrassment’? Nah, it’s people like you happy to live in a world of discrimination and racism at every level.'"
Well put, I just looked at the post and thought we’re do I start.
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| It's ironic that the people who like to talk about snowflakes and people being easily offended are so often easily offended by absolutely nothing themselves. The Great British Sewing Bee
I agree there are often double standards regarding the sort of insults that are acceptable and the ones that are not. I also agree that some people seem to look for offence in the most mundane things these days. However, if you really don't understand why racial slurs aimed at black or Asian people are more offensive than the ones aimed at whites, then I would say you are a lost cause at this point. White, straight, middle aged men might be the butt of a few jokes occasionally, or sometimes unfairly stereotyped. But it's not even remotely comparable to the discrimination and hate that many minorities have suffered, and in many cases continue to suffer.
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How must it feel to be on the receiving end of messages like this on a daily basis?
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Eye opening chat between Ian Wright and Alan Shearer that's currently doing the rounds on social media.
How must it feel to be on the receiving end of messages like this on a daily basis?
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| Quote ="MattyB"https://youtu.be/2LxpeIULvPA
Eye opening chat between Ian Wright and Alan Shearer that's currently doing the rounds on social media.
How must it feel to be on the receiving end of messages like this on a daily basis?'"
Only as bad as calling someone a pie eater. Honest
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| Connor out on Saturday with a one game ban. A bit surprised he was only charged with a Grade B - it looked a deliberate high shot to me on Hardaker (plus the forearm to the face in the 6th minute).
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| Quote ="MadDogg"Connor out on Saturday with a one game ban. A bit surprised he was only charged with a Grade B - it looked a deliberate high shot to me on Hardaker (plus the forearm to the face in the 6th minute).
Clubb charged with a Grade F offence - tribunal tomorrow.'"
If found guilty carries at least eight matches or a suspension period.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"If found guilty carries at least eight matches or a suspension period.'"
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