And pat and amos are both full of confidence playing with a great deal of experience, =#FF0040knowing when to go looking and when to stay in position at SL level.

Not young lads trying to break into the team.

i haven't read all 13 pages on this one

For me it was a big improvement on what has been dished up previously. he did the full 80 minutes (1st time since he joined the club), took the ball in well and scored a try. Yes he made a couple of mistakes, but kept getting himself into positions to take the ball

IMO he is a player with massive potential, but has definately been lacking something, whether that be confidence after his injuries or heart to play (as has been questioned many times on various forums). So Sunday was a massive step forward, lets give him another chance and our support instead of him being the next fans scapegoat

As I have said so many times, Karl Pryce is a talented player. What we need to find out what makes him "tick". What motivates him. If Maguire can find that we have a match winner in the team.

Pryce did o.k. on Saturday, not spectacular, but solid, and is worth another chance.
Whether he takes it or not is entirely up to him, it's his career at Wigan on the line.

What he said.

What motivates him is cash....
i thought at first he looked improved but its' the effort that bothers me. He just doesn't looked bothered and the celebration or lack of it from himself and his teammates suggests not alls well. Granted i might be reading more into it but Pryce has never been one of my favourites ever since watching at academy at Bradford.

I have to say that I don't think Pryce would have done himself any favours by celebrating that try. Though he finished it strongly, and gave young Marsh a quick lesson in how to get over in the corner, that score was mainly created by Carmont.

Pryce has a quite a long way to go to win back the fans who've come to doubt him in recent years. If he'd given himself a slap on the back for one try, I'm sure he'd have been slated for it.

Watch his celebration when Sam scores.

I wouldnt bother Rogues, i pointed out his celebrations when Sam and Carmont scored earlier in the thread but these people choose too see and hear what the want to, Pryce will never do right in their eyes!

Many people on this board have stated over various selection issues when they didn't initially agree with them "in Madge we trust" or words to those effect. Maguire is confident enough and pleased enough with the performance, attitude, fitness etc of Karl Pryce to give him a shot and has hinted after doing so at giving him more opportunities should he continue in his eyes to warrant them.

Whether or not each individual believes that Pryce is good enough for their ideal Wigan team can they please at least show the faith they have professsed in our coaching team and back their decisions if and when Pryce plays. I am sick of seeing page after page of bile being directed at one of our players and of hearing people criticise them at every turn during and after games.

Can those that do not believe he is up to a regular spot at least hold their tongues until he has had more opportunities to show what he can do. Just hold your silence for a few games and give him the opportunity to play. Just give the lad a chance, Michael Maguire and Shaun Wane are willing to.

Pryce definitely isn't getting the praise he deserves.

I'm sure if Pat or Amos had not played a SL game for as long as Pryce hasn't and came back and put in a solid performance like that most people would be quite happy with it. Coming back to play with alot of the fans on his back, lacking in confidence still, he did well for a player in that situation.

Deserves to start the next game. Will gain more confidence, playing another full game would help with fitness, could be the start of him turning into a good player for us.

I feel KP had a solid game too, made a knock on early on, probably nerves, but his try more than made up for that

as for comparing SA and KP:
SA 1 game, 0 tries, conceded 38, scored 26
KP 1 game, 1 try, conceded 10, scored 28

let the stats do the talking, not slating SA, nor saying KP had a brilliant game

As for the games they've played, i feel KP had a better game than SA did, and therefore took his chance better

And how all the players go over to him when he scores his try.

Having watched the game again.... he was solid, and I will say thats fine for now, but I stand by what I said, I would rather have Charnley in the team as I feel he has more of a long term future. I really hope Pryce proves me wrong this weekend.

I promise I will come on here and admit I was daft if he has a good game.

After reading some of the nonsense here, I can't help but think what happened to the 'clean-slate' that the boo boys were giving the players under Madge, or is it only certain players who are getting the benefit of this?

Well it's good of you to come and admit he was solid, rather than the original non existant.

I really do think you're jumping the gun and worrying unduly about giving chances to the likes of Charnley - who is 18 years old (19 in June) and will get many opportunites.

I'd be more worried that Josh's birthday is on the 26th June, i.e. 26/06/2010, which if you watched Dr Who this weekend, should be spookily worrying to you!



Does anybody know how his body fat compares to other squad members?

I understand that it compares well but, as no-one has any idea of who has the lowest body fat in the Wigan squad, it would be difficult to come to any absolute conclusions.

I think we should petition Mick Hogan and IL for this vital fact to be included in the player's bios, and maybe an overall league table at the club!

Get on it guys!

My money's on Walker! Not sure why I think that. Should I be right I think we'd all have to put it down to pure genius on my part.

Indeed, you're really going out on a limb there, with so many players to choose from and no guidance from anybody whatsoever. I can't believe something so vital has gone unanswered for so long

Well I am known for being brave. In fact Nathan Brown is going to use me as an enforcer on this board as he's getting no protection from the nasty mods!

As an aside to this, there was a poster on here who was putting it around that Feka had the lowest body fat in the Wigan squad. I think it was someone called Pimps or Pants or something like that....

Your 100% wrong, I have it on good authority that its Feka.

See above. There was a poster, Pumps I think his name was, who got there before you!

And in the same way people won't have a bad word said about someone just because he wears the cherry and white.

I've watched Karl since junior days at Odsal. I've watched him since and formulated MY OWN OPINION of him which is that i think he's attitude wastes his talent. He's never progressed further than "having potential." I always hope he plays well but IN MY OPINION we could do better.

I'm also willing to admit that I probably didn't give him as much of a clean sheet as he deserved. I didn't really take into consideration it was his first super league game for nearly a year, however is solid going to be good enough against widnes?

I still stand by other things I said though which is fair enough IMO, to say he had a poor game was wrong. Charnley will get many oppertunities but I think he should play next week.

Pryce really does have to kick start soon though, he has been here a long time now and needs to show some kind of form, I hope he does I really do. If he plays like we know he has the potential to do, he could be a star for England but I have never seen him working his socks off or playing with some real passion. These are some of the things that people on here said they wanted the team to do.