I think stains will be in for a shock when you play them. You guys get a few bodies back and you’ll be difficult to beat.

Saints look about as lost as us going forward at the minute but have a couple of big props to help them out. If Hull go in as strong as fussy but with Connor and Bowden back in, they’ll have every chance (I don’t think Taylor will make it).

Didn’t even bother watching today. Really felt it would go this way and my football club had a shot at promotion on the last day so opted for that.

Can’t say I’m surprised at all. Why would I be? That’s Wigan under Lam. Not good enough.

Bring back Wane. Whilst Lam is here I’m just not that interested.

You’ve been building well for a few years now and Hodgson looks like the coach to take you forward towards the next level. Whether you can make that step I don’t know but the youth brought through coupled with some shrewd signings make Hull a team to be very wary of IMO.

As an outsider couple of observations. You are a far more dangerous team with French at FB. Hardaker is very sollid, but I didn't realise his much pace he's lost, which is odd as he's only 28....
Hastings is too slow and bit Overrated for me. Smith is already the better player, and will be amazing with Williams next to him.
Don't think your pack is that bad, I actually think your backs lacked some spark. Is Manfredi likely to be the dynamic winger he was? I know the poor lad has terrible run with injuries. Was pleased to see him score though.....

The league is pants at the minute and has been for 4 or 5 years now, so decent teams like Hull have always been a good coaching appointment away from challenging. Saints turned themselves round with a good coaching appointment and Hull could be on the track to doing the same. We didn’t make a good appointment and have been treading water since.

A good summery that.

I’m chuffed for Hull but so disappointed with our appointment and the imbalance in the squad.
Hopefully Hull can kick on and ideally Huddersfield or Catalan too can step up on a consistent basis to give the league a more competitive edge to improve the overall standard of the competition

For the first time in a while we have a core of quality young players who aren't just making up the numbers but are making key contributions to the team. Lane has been excellent this year, as has Cator. Brad Fash has improved massively. McNamara is developing nicely. Cam Scott, Connor Wynne, Jack Brown. 20/21 years old and all can be relied on to come in and do a really solid job. We've always had the star players but the squad players have often just not looked up to scratch. That feels different this year. Its exciting times to be a Hull fan just now.

Hull were head and shoulders above Wigan today and I agree, the score line flattered us. However, the biggest difference, in my view, was your line speed when defending, you smothered us to death whereas we allowed easy gains. Good luck in the semi-final.

I don't think the league is pants (well, not all of it), and it bugs me a bit when people talk as if it's just us and Saints. Saints aren't all that this season, and there's a few sides that will be in the reckoning.

I think that ships sailed mate. He and we have both moved on, for better or for worse.

That was always one of the big issues we had for years since Peter Sharp left. Our line speed both in attack and defence was always so laboured with no real intent so we very rarely won the collision. We had purple patches when the intensity was up such as the CC games but invariably just too inconsistent.
It’s the little things that under BH are been changed and dealt with that we are already seeing big differences in. I know it’s still very early days but as a long suffering Hull fan I can’t honestly remember a time before this season where we have been consistent and staying in games. Last season we’d probably have been 2 wins & 3 losses at best out the first games and out the cup.

Time that some of you stopped blaming Lam and faced the fact that we have too many young inexperience and inconsistent lightweight forwards and you cannot blame Lam for players knocking on, failing to catch high balls, kicking out on the full and not having a good goalkeeper.

The people to blame are those running the club. When Lenagan first bought the club, he was like a breath of fresh air after the ownership of Whelan but now the squad is not the right blend of experienced top class players and the younger players like it was in previous seasons.

No matter who is the Coach, you cannot make a silk purse out of a as sow's ear and that what now exists at the club and might explain the why Wane threw in the towel and Edwards declined a return to the club.

No doubt the usual handful or so of the 'click' who think Lenagan and Radlinski are never wrong in their judgements will continue to wear the blinkers!

What does a goalkeeper have to do with anything?

It's time we stopped isolating blame to either the players or coaches, rather than saying it's not one of them. Then can BOTH be to blame, at the same time.

wigan are beatable by most teams in superleague on the day ,, to many rookies in the pack,it wont take much to put right though, despite reaching the grand final last year youve been off your usual standards for a while and it told yesterday

Which is why some of us want rid of the coach.

Thats our problem the lads need some more experienced with them having Isa and Farrell move to centres weakened the pack .Why on earth did Lam not start with Bullock and Singleton as starting props beggars belief .We had no forwards who run the ball out and dont make any metres .

youre a back and 2 big forwards away and as you say maybe a new coach

In the past, we had backs who utilised the short kick through to turn the opposition forwards around, and tire them, for example; Edwards and Gregory. Or as Harry Smith did last week, take their line on in the attack, with a short burst of speed to open their defence up. Both Edwards and Gregory were 'masters' at that.

We certainly haven't got any ball playing forwards in the mould of Brian McTigue (I wish) . 'Mac' used to tell his backs, to just follow him and he'd get that ball out to them, and he used to break opposition defences for fun.

For me, it was a real tactical miss by Lam. He was so concerned with neutralising their kicking game and playing a territory wet weather game, he forgot about our strengths, and ignored their weaknesses.

The weather wasn’t a monsoon, slight drizzle for part of the match and actually ok for the rest.
We had far the better team on paper and we should have played to that teams strengths and let Hull worry about us. They were without their main talismanic flair player, with a winger filling in at FB and a very inexperienced player taking his wing spot.

We were stronger, faster and more nimble on the edges and when we threw the ball wide we had our only success, but you can’t rely on playing just 5 of the 80.
Add to that very under par, uncharacteristic error strewn performances from Hardaker, French, Byrne and a couple of others.

We let them run time and again from dummy half and letting in a couple of barge over tries is very disappointing,
One crumb of upside was Bateman had his best match since coming back. And I'd like to see Smith kicking for the next few matches as Hardaker isnt that top class goal kicker we need. Maybe we get Botica or Deacon in for a few sessions with him or even Owen Farrell on a zoom call !

We are a top prop away from being the best team in the league imo, if the money for GB was spent wisely and we had say Watts or Thompson, I’d fancy us to beat anyone. Even without a dominant pack leader i think we could still win the GF, we have a great crop of young prop forwards coming through and I’m not sure where as lightweight as people think. Byrne, Havard and Bullock are all big lads, Partington is small but he could easily put a stone or two on in the next few years which would help.
We seem to have this debate running on a constant loop for probably over 10 years and we have managed to win plenty of trophies in that time, also with less subs and the 6 again rule I think it’s more advantageous for the fitter props plus I think in 3/4 years we could have one the best set of props we have had in my lifetime watching Wigan unless the NRL come crawling.

Not once did we try an early kick behind Fonua for French to chase. Or exploit their big men around the ruck - Powell was literally anonymous.

We played extremely low percentage rugby even when we were 8 points down. And even that low percentage rugby was coming up with loads of errors - there was just no plan B.

A large issue of course was lack of field position to try those things which again comes back to our powderpuff pack and Hull managing to control the ruck with complete ease.

it was, on french and hastings

Perhaps one of the worst things is Lam's apparent bewilderment at the loss.
Missed goal kicks first half must have knocked the lad's morale.
The weather was poor must the ground under foot couldn't have been that soft.
Lam should have made changes either just before half time or at the break. Not 5-10 mins from the end.
We scored within minutes of French to fb and Smith made it six with an excellent conversion.

The players must be shattered after that loss as it was so avoidable. Lam simply made the same mistakes he made in the semi defeat last year.
Does anyone seriously think we'll win the Challenge Cup with Lam as head coach?